<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages --> <!--X-From-R13: pbqreNvoz.arg --> <!--X-Date: from fabius.globecomm.net [207.51.48.6] by mx5.ibm.net id 863904499.52590-1 Sat May 17 21:28:19 1997 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199705172136.VAA299363#out1,ibm.net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 9705170441.80g8@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:coder#ibm,net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00545.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00547.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00521.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00574.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00546">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00546">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00546">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 17 May 97 13:44:14 -0700</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 16/05/97 at 11:22 PM, cg#ami-cg,graysage.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Gray) said: >[John L:] >: My only disagreement is with using the curly >:brackets to distinguish code blocks. I think you score some good >:points with better compiler parsing and debugging. >:However, I think they are more convenient to type, easier to remember >:and distinguish themselves better than 'fi', 'od', 'esac', etc. >::-) >Ah, but you have to count using the shift key in the convenience of >braces versus short reserved words! :-) >When I was designing a language like this a few years back, a friend >commented that I really shouldn't be using 'od' to end 'for' and 'while' >loops. Algol68 does that because it really only has one loop construct, >and only the 'do' and 'od' are required. So, he said I should be using >'rof' and 'elihw'. Maybe, but after I spoke 'elihw' to him for a couple >of weeks he relented! A key part of C's use of braces is implicit in the base design of the language (and obvious when looking at the BNF diagram). In C, any place that a statement can be used (in a non-expression context), a pair of braces containing one or more statements can be used instead. Its a slightly subtle and very pleasing piece of orthogonality, and is why: if (x) y (); is just as acceptable as: if (x) { y (); } and: if (x) { y (); z (); ...etc. } I find this is one of the great beautiful simplicities of C over the the do/od, if/fi, while/elihw type syntaxes. There are lots of other more interesting examples, such as creating very locally scoped automatics: int funcx (...) { int var; ...code... { int var; // A new variable, unique from the one above ...code... } ...mode code... } This last happens to be a trick I use a lot. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net ----------(*) Internet: coder#ibm,net ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00574" HREF="msg00574.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> silovic#srce,hr (Miroslav Silovic)</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00521" HREF="msg00521.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA (Chris Gray)</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00545.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Support mud [was Re: Languages]</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00547.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00521.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00574.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00546"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00546"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00540" HREF="msg00540.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Sun 18 May 1997, 03:43 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00544" HREF="msg00544.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Dan Root <a href="mailto:dar#thekeep,org">dar#thekeep,org</a>, Sun 18 May 1997, 04:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00578" HREF="msg00578.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Mon 19 May 1997, 08:44 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00521" HREF="msg00521.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sat 17 May 1997, 13:02 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00546" HREF="msg00546.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Sun 18 May 1997, 04:28 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00574" HREF="msg00574.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Mon 19 May 1997, 08:04 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00529" HREF="msg00529.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 18 May 1997, 00:32 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00535" HREF="msg00535.html">Support mud [was Re: Languages]</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 18 May 1997, 02:53 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00553" HREF="msg00553.html">Support mud [was Re: Languages]</A></strong>, Oliver Jowett <a href="mailto:oliver#sa-search,massey.ac.nz">oliver#sa-search,massey.ac.nz</a>, Sun 18 May 1997, 07:48 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>