<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Life --> <!--X-From-R13: Xnzvr @beevfu <wnzvrNfnaf.ihj.np.am> --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in11.ibm.net id 865233647.32378-1 Mon Jun 2 06:40:47 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199706020647.SAA11566#tao,sans.vuw.ac.nz --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3395ea73.5022142#relay,mnsinc.com --> <!--X-Reference: 199706020546.WAA09008#user1,inficad.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Life</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01050.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01052.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01049.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01097.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01051">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01051">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01051">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Life</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Life</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Jamie Norrish <<A HREF="mailto:jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz">jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:47:34 +1200 (NZST)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Adam Wiggins writes: > This is another thing I have a problem with. People expect their > characters to live forever. Do they? I don't think you can infer that from the six-year-old child example. Being upset at a particular end to a character - particularly with no former warning - seems to be a perfectly 'reasonable' reaction. That is, a player may be willing to have their character die, but in an appropriate fashion at a time more of their choosing. Or any number of other options. > Lastly, yes I do expect people to just say, 'oh well'. It's a game. > It's a character, a figment of your imagination. Yes, and no. Figments of the imagination can be very powerful. I know of one deeply IC roleplayer (not a MUDder, to my knowledge) who loses part of herself, in a sense, when a character of hers dies - she can't go back into that particular mindset, etc. It's all very well to say "oh well", but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem. Now, I think this is all basically a matter of game contract. If the contract allows for this sort of behaviour, and everyone is informed about the contract, then complaining about that fate would be pointless - though that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't upsetting to the player concerned. I do think, though, that contracts could be made more explicit than they are on many MUDs, which would most likely help to avoid some of the difficulties that example brings up. > You don't cry when you get to the end of a good book, or a good > movie, because it doesn't go on any longer Speak for yourself. > - you think, 'Wow, that was a great book. Think I'll go buy another > one now.' Which is not incompatible with the above, please note. Jamie </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01097" HREF="msg01097.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#inficad,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01029" HREF="msg01029.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> caliban#darklock,com (Caliban Tiresias Darklock)</LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01049" HREF="msg01049.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#user1,inficad.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01050.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01052.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01049.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01097.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01051"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01051"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00971" HREF="msg00971.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 31 May 1997, 06:29 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00993" HREF="msg00993.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Sat 31 May 1997, 17:14 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01029" HREF="msg01029.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Mon 02 Jun 1997, 05:00 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01049" HREF="msg01049.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Mon 02 Jun 1997, 12:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01051" HREF="msg01051.html">[MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jamie Norrish <a href="mailto:jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz">jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz</a>, Mon 02 Jun 1997, 13:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01097" HREF="msg01097.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 20:02 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01121" HREF="msg01121.html">[MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jamie Norrish <a href="mailto:jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz">jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 06:03 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01127" HREF="msg01127.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 10:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01132" HREF="msg01132.html">[MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jamie Norrish <a href="mailto:jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz">jamie#sans,vuw.ac.nz</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 11:07 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>