<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from fabius.globecomm.net [207.51.48.6] by in4.ibm.net id 867196363.42800-1 Tue Jun 24 23:52:43 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199706242350.QAA29303#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199706191022.DAA17861#user2,inficad.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01483.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01485.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01381.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01496.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01484">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01484">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01484">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 24 Jun 97 16:44:13 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg01356.html">199706191022.DAA17861#user2,inficad.com</A>>, on 06/19/97 at 08:35 PM, Adam Wiggins <nightfall#inficad,com> said: >Ah, I see your confusion now. Let me clarify for you. >No one actually cares about any existing mud servers, except for >passing references - 'Tiny does this, but not very well' or 'LP does >this, but I don't have any desire to take it that far'. Most >everyone here is either writing their own codebase from scratch, or >interested in completely new kinds of muds. Therefore, of what use >to us is prattling on about why thus-and-such codebase sucks, and why >thus-and-such codebase rules? While this is/was true of most of the early list members, its not so true any more. I'd like to see a balance here between from-raw development with only passing reference paid to the current implementations to full-blown take-what-we've-got and piece-it-together-and-make-something-better attempts. I'm hoping (vainly?) for some sort of gestaltic combination to occur here where each side feeds off the ideas and developments of the others. As one of the members here commented to me privately, this list is in danger of assuming an orthodoxy. For instance most of us dislike levels in MUDs, to the point that it has become almost assumed as 'the list's view'. Suffice to say that many players *really* like levels for whatever reason. As happens I also know that more than one member here is also a big levels fan. I don't want these sorts of assumed orthodoxies. They're not good and they're not productive. They need to be questioned, and beat upon, and hashed over, and done, and redone, and re-interpreted till the cows come home. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01496" HREF="msg01496.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01356" HREF="msg01356.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#inficad,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01483.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Population container</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01485.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01381.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01496.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01484"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01484"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Meta</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01506" HREF="msg01506.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Meta</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 07:57 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01500" HREF="msg01500.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 02:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01531" HREF="msg01531.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 16:14 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01381" HREF="msg01381.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Fri 20 Jun 1997, 15:47 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01484" HREF="msg01484.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 25 Jun 1997, 06:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01496" HREF="msg01496.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 01:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01539" HREF="msg01539.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>, Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 23:04 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01365" HREF="msg01365.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Fri 20 Jun 1997, 05:51 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01369" HREF="msg01369.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP=MUSH/PG=MUD</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 20 Jun 1997, 07:14 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>