<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP --> <!--X-From-R13: "Fenivf Qnfrl" <rsvaqryNcbynevf.arg> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 06:04:31 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 01bd1cc3$f8126f00$21c22cc7#slip5,cs.fsu.edu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00131.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00133.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00130.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00139.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00132">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00132">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00132">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Travis Casey" <<A HREF="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:01:04 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: "Travis Casey" <<A HREF="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</A>></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Mike Sellers <mike#online-alchemy,com> wrote: >At 10:01 PM 1/5/98 PST8PDT, Brandon Cline wrote: >>Not to repeat JCL's point, but using Travis's opinion of >>what "role-playing" is, is "that" a viable comercial pursuit? The >>comercial RPG games atm, seem to have the ability for "role-playing" but >>in a competitive game, where possibly the players are paying by usage, or >>advancing through time spent, are they going to be willing to put forth >>the extra effort to "role-play" and/or is/will the game reward the players >>for role-playing? Basically, if the game can be played without >>role-playing, how will you get the people to role-play. > >This is an excellent question. If we do not construct the games and the >game-goals (those things for which you are rewarded) to support and reward >role-playing, then most people will not RP most of the time. If nothing >else, it's just too much work. :) And then you have to ask, if you *did* >create a game that actively rewarded actual role-playing (briefly, as >someone else said, making decisions based on your character's views, not >your own), would enough people want to play to make it a commercial >possibility? A small clarification, presuming you're talking about my definition... I defined roleplaying as making decisions based on what you believe your character would do in the situation if he/she was a real person in a real world -- I didn't say anything about the character's views having to be different from the player's. I want to make the distinction because there are some people who insist that you're not really roleplaying unless you play a character that has a personality different from your own, and I'm not one of them. :-) (Indeed, it's possible to roleplay yourself in a game -- simply trying to have the character do what you would do if you were in the character's situation. What really distinguishes roleplaying, IMHO, is that decisions are being made on a "what would so-and-so do" basis instead of a "what's going to work best under these rules" basis.) And now for a strange aside... I've noticed that everyone in this thread but me seems to be writing roleplaying as "role-playing". A quick check of my library of paper RPGs shows about a 50-50 split between "role-playing" and "roleplaying", which the hyphen seeming to be more prevalent in older games. A few of the oldest games use "role playing", a couple of games seem to switch back and forth between two forms ("role-playing" and "roleplaying", except in the case of Chivalry & Sorcery, which switches between "role playing" and "role-playing"). And, of course, White Wolf spells it "storytelling." :-) It would be interesting to hear how different people pronounce it as well... I articulate it as if it were one word, which seems appropriate since I spell it that way. Do those of you writing "role-playing" use a pause between the two parts when speaking? -- |\ _,,,---,,_ Travis S. Casey <efindel#io,com> ZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ No one agrees with me. Not even me. |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' rec.games.design FAQ: '---''(_/--' `-'\_) <A HREF="http://www.io.com/~efindel/design.html">http://www.io.com/~efindel/design.html</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00131.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Commercial value of RP</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00133.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Totally OT... (Or is it?) 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