<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept --> <!--X-From-R13: Hnqvz Fxnpuraxb <igNserrubyq.pebpbqvyr.bet> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:11:56 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 351856E6.94F88F9F#freehold,crocodile.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199803030701.BAA14805@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Reference: 199803230006.SAA14193@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00882.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00884.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00865.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00652.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00883">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00883">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00883">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#NULL,NET">mud-dev#NULL,NET</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Vadim Tkachenko <<A HREF="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:59:18 -0600</LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Jon A. Lambert wrote: > > On 20 Mar 98 at 10:58, J C Lawrence wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:53:29 PST8PDT > > Jon A Lambert<Jon.A.Lambert#ix,netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > Should perception be based solely on the object being perceived? I > > > think a great deal of perception code/responsibilty(?) belongs to > > > the perceiver. > > > > > Perhaps the perceiver sends a message to the object: > > > > > Me--> Sting.look("and BTW I'm a drunken, one-eyed, deaf, heroin > > > addict, with a fetish for bright colors and ladies clothing") > > > > > Object--> Me.Sting("There are a few valuable and beautiful jewels > ^^^^^^^ > Dunno what I was thinking here! It makes little sense. > > > > here glued to a metal object. You'll be partying tonight!") > > > > > Or not... > > > > That is almost exactly what I do for all senses: > > > > viewer -> object: May I sense you? > > object Do I want him to sense me? Yes/no. > > > > Of course kick back if no. > > > > object -> container: Would you affect a sense report from me to > > viewer? > > container -> other objects in container: Would you affect a sense > > report from object to > > viewer? > > other objects -> container: yes/no/how > > container -> object: yes/no/how > > > > This is of course recursive for multiple levels of containment. As I > > also have multiple parallel forms of containment, this also recurses > > down those lines. > > Yes the multiple-parallel aspect is interesting. What about > combining this with more abstract and temporary containment > mechanisms. For instance, using the Neighborhood as an assembly and > brokering point for sensory information. :) > > Viewer -> Neighborhood "May I "generally" sense this place" > Neighborhood -> "Sure hang on" or "Get lost chump you're deaf, dumb > and blind. Go play pinball or something" > > If OK > > Neighborhood -> Buildings, Terrain, Crowd "Would you like to expose > yourself to the viewer" > > Crowd -> membership "Hey anybody does this veiwer sense you" > > Member1 -> Crowd "I am just a nameless face" > Member2 -> Crowd "ditto" > Member3 -> Crowd "You bet HE does, I'm a long-legged, buxom red head" [skipped] And it comes together well with the concept of wrapped objects I was talking about a few months ago - when the object's response to the attempt to sense it will depend on the actor's properties, like: white stone: gemstone: diamond: Diamond of Unsurpassed Wisdom: cursed so noone can use it longer than X units of time > --/*\ Jon A. Lambert - TychoMUD Internet:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com /*\-- -- Still alive and smile stays on, Vadim Tkachenko <vt#freehold,crocodile.org> -- UNIX _is_ user friendly, he's just very picky about who his friends are </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00674" HREF="msg00674.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Jon A. Lambert" <Jon.A.Lambert#ix,netcom.com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00832" HREF="msg00832.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Jon A. 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Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 23 Mar 1998, 00:07 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00842" HREF="msg00842.html">[MUD-Dev] Old code</A></strong>, Joel Dillon <a href="mailto:emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk">emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk</a>, Mon 23 Mar 1998, 14:38 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00844" HREF="msg00844.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Old code</A></strong>, Michael Hohensee <a href="mailto:michael#sparta,mainstream.net">michael#sparta,mainstream.net</a>, Mon 23 Mar 1998, 16:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00865" HREF="msg00865.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 23 Mar 1998, 21:42 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00883" HREF="msg00883.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Describe Concept</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Wed 25 Mar 1998, 05:11 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00652" HREF="msg00652.html">Compilers: Toy available for ftp</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sun 01 Mar 1998, 00:39 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00651" HREF="msg00651.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Net protocols for MUDing (was: Moore's Law sucks)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sun 01 Mar 1998, 00:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00653" HREF="msg00653.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Net protocols for MUDing (was: Moore's Law sucks)</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</a>, Sun 01 Mar 1998, 02:06 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00655" HREF="msg00655.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Net protocols for MUDing (was: Moore's Law sucks)</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Sun 01 Mar 1998, 03:39 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>