<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items (was: Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online) --> <!--X-From-R13: Hnqvz Fxnpuraxb <inqvzgN4pf.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:15:52 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 34B6A0FA.84BBE2B4#4cs,com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199708070019.RAA16067#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items (was: Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online)</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00153.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00155.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00201.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00156.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00154">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00154">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00154">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items (was: Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items (was: Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Vadim Tkachenko <<A HREF="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:13:14 -0600</LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:vt#vadimt,4cs.com">vt#vadimt,4cs.com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On August 6 97, clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: > In <199707300840.BAA25834#user1,inficad.com>, on 07/30/97 > at 08:06 AM, Adam Wiggins <nightfall#user1,inficad.com> said: > [skipped] > >Examples of stuff that happens all the time on dikus > >via object limits: most keys are limit one, so players get a key to > >(say) the dwarven kingdom immediately on reboot and then hold a > >monopoly over anything found inside until they rent or the mud > >crashes. I've also seen things like spiteful players throwing the > >keys to Mahn-Tor's keep into the ocean just to keep other players > >out, for whatever reason. > > All of which seem quite ideal I'm afraid. Note the quote in the > recent Bartle posts of the chap sitting by the falls waiting to give > the brand to someone. Its a trap. Its obvious, simple, and *really* > elegant (outside of the player hitting ^L repetitively). Its also > something I don't think should either be prevented or designed > around. Call it a happy accident. > > I think the baser problem is that there really is only one way in to > Mahn-Tor's keep. Why can't the walls be scaled? Or mined? Or a > player catapulted over the walls? Or magical teleport? Or a fish > charmed to go eat the key and then be caught by the player and the key > retrieved? Or the key magically summoned? You get the idea. I've been playing with a different idea - make unique/restricted items change their properties - an example: - There's a door, you really need to open it to get some big reward. - There's the key, and the only one. - You accidently found it, or killed somebody who had it in possession, [optional] you found the door. - (to simplify) the further you from the given door, the heavier the key becomes, so you either are forced to go in a right direction (btw, not nessessarily, thus it becomes more compelling to solve the quest of finding the right door), or drop the damned no-good thing. 'course, there are exceptions like above - one-way actions like dropping into ocean, which should be resolved separately. > J C Lawrence -- Still alive and smile stays on, Vadim Tkachenko <VadimT#4CS,Com> -- UNIX _is_ user friendly, he's just very picky about who his friends are </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00197" HREF="msg00197.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items (was: Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> JC Lawrence <claw#under,Eng.Sun.COM></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00156" HREF="msg00156.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Richard Woolcock <KaVir#dial,pipex.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00153.html">Event handling (was: request for comments)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00155.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Event handling (was: request for comments)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00201.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MUD Economy</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00156.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00154"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00154"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00178" HREF="msg00178.html">Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed</A></strong>, PMDF e-Mail Interconnect <a href="mailto:postmaster#nova,wright.edu">postmaster#nova,wright.edu</a>, Sat 10 Jan 1998, 15:46 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00159" HREF="msg00159.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] MUD Economy</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Sat 10 Jan 1998, 01:03 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00190" HREF="msg00190.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MUD Economy</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 11 Jan 1998, 14:07 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00201" HREF="msg00201.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MUD Economy</A></strong>, JC Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,Eng.Sun.COM">claw#under,Eng.Sun.COM</a>, Sun 11 Jan 1998, 22:10 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00154" HREF="msg00154.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items (was: Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online)</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</a>, Fri 09 Jan 1998, 22:15 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00156" HREF="msg00156.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Fri 09 Jan 1998, 23:39 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00173" HREF="msg00173.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 10 Jan 1998, 06:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00213" HREF="msg00213.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</a>, Mon 12 Jan 1998, 17:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00226" HREF="msg00226.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Unique items</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 13 Jan 1998, 05:33 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>