<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients --> <!--X-From-R13: pbqreNvoz.arg --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:59:15 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199802230059.AAA190202#out4,ibm.net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.3.89.9802172254.A26542-0100000#directcheck,aries.net --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:coder#ibm,net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00555.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00557.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00675.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00571.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00556">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00556">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00556">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 22 Feb 98 16:24:53 -0800</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 17/02/98 at 09:33 PM, Katrina McClelan <kitkat#directcheck,aries.net> said: >On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Travis Casey wrote: >That's one of my problems in general with clients and the issue of telnet >is bad. I'll be the first to agree that telnet is a very silly protocol. > However, it's supported on almost any platform without extra downloads >or such. The solution I'd eventually use, and that I have mostly >implemented is a [psuedo] terminal server, terminfo, and lib curses. I happen to know a bit about curses and have been a strong proponent of it on this list. Note: I've written two curses implementations, was involved in the XOPEN conformance testing of HP's curses library for HP-UX, and have written a number of commercially marketed applications which used curses interfaces. >I suppose that curses limits features to text, but with full screen manipulation >of it, it's still quite versitile. True. >Particularly if you use ncurses and expect (partually >dangerous) the the receiving client supports colors in some way or >another (doesn't have to be vt100 with ncurses). Nope, the core problem with implementing curses support in the MUD server is terminal definition. In the classical case this was not a problem as the terminal type was defined by the application's environment ($TERM, terminfo, termcap and company). These resources and that definition ability are not available for a client connecting directly to a port on a server. How does the server know what terminal type the remote client is emulating? Many telnet clients very poorly or partially implement even the VT-* terminal types. Additionally it is often quite difficult (and few know how) to set the desired terminal type in quite a many telnet clients. The next problem is simultaneously supporting multiple terminal types from a single executing binary. Many curses implementations handle that extremely poorly, almost forcing you to require all clients to use a single terminal definition. That given, curses works very nicely. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net ----------(*) Internet: coder#ibm,net ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00571" HREF="msg00571.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Katrina McClelan <kitkat#directcheck,aries.net></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00521" HREF="msg00521.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Katrina McClelan <kitkat#directcheck,aries.net></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00555.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The MLI Project</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00557.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00675.html">VEIL (was: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00571.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00556"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00556"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00519" HREF="msg00519.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Wed 18 Feb 1998, 04:47 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00521" HREF="msg00521.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Katrina McClelan <a href="mailto:kitkat#directcheck,aries.net">kitkat#directcheck,aries.net</a>, Wed 18 Feb 1998, 05:29 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00529" HREF="msg00529.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 19 Feb 1998, 01:28 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00675" HREF="msg00675.html">VEIL (was: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients)</A></strong>, Brandon Gillespie <a href="mailto:brandon#roguetrader,com">brandon#roguetrader,com</a>, Tue 03 Mar 1998, 12:26 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00556" HREF="msg00556.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Mon 23 Feb 1998, 00:59 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00571" HREF="msg00571.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Katrina McClelan <a href="mailto:kitkat#directcheck,aries.net">kitkat#directcheck,aries.net</a>, Tue 24 Feb 1998, 04:44 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00621" HREF="msg00621.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Fri 27 Feb 1998, 12:22 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00756" HREF="msg00756.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 19 Mar 1998, 00:08 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00549" HREF="msg00549.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 21 Feb 1998, 11:47 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>