<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release --> <!--X-From-R13: Pra Uerrne <terrneNploreuvtujnl.arg> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:48:07 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.3.96.980212173829.290D-100000#shamen,cyberhighway.net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.91.980212162342.325E-100000@uni-corn.demon.co.uk --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00444.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00446.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00439.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00454.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00445">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00445">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00445">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Ben Greear <<A HREF="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:49:20 -0700 (MST)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Ben Greear (greear#cyberhighway,net) <A HREF="http://www.primenet.com/~greear">http://www.primenet.com/~greear</A> Author of ScryMUD: mud.primenet.com 4444 <A HREF="http://www.primenet.com/~greear/ScryMUD/scry.html">http://www.primenet.com/~greear/ScryMUD/scry.html</A> On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Greg Munt wrote: > > I disagree that code replicas dont matter. Ignoring systems like LP > drivers, which are really language compilers, you still have designs, and > design flaws. But that is getting into the realm of "all stock is evil"... > > Consider TinyMUD. It is not released with a 'world', really. > > Is there a problem? Yes. > > Why? Because the hard-coded commands are all the same, on every > derivative. You have the same underlying design, on every one. The type > of person that is attracted to the original mud, is also (usually) > attracted to all of its derivatives, equally. (most Tiny derivatives cater > only to socialisers or role-players.) I believe I've coded enough capabilities into my MUD that someone could, without changing any code, make a game that to the end user was completely different than my current game. If ppl get used to the UI, thats fine with me, I ripped of Diku's UI there anyway.... (Though my client may break that down soon...) > > We have the same problems with DIKU and its derivatives. We also have > additional problems: code snippets, and distributable areas. > > It is popular for administrators to swap DIKU areas, to browse the web > for area repositories. You might say that releasing your code with only > one zone relieves you of any responsibility. I would not. I don't see these as problems. I don't physically have the time to write 10k rooms, and finding decent builders is tough, although I ahve a few. If there is a zone that someone else built, that will fit into my theme, why not use it? Of course, I'd personally change it at least a little, adding or changing mob scripts and such... > > > Well, I my License basically says, if you're making money off of my code, > > then you owe me. I'm expecting no money, so any that trickled in would be > > bonus, and if someone tried to screw me... welll, we'd have to see... > > See: Medievia. Yeah, thats the only topic that can get rgmd riled up for years at a time :P > > Source in html files strikes me as useless, no one wants to read the > > stuff, and if it's not easily installable and compileable, no one ever > > will. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding.... > > It will provoke ideas, show new (hopefully better, but no promises) > solutions, new approaches, and sometimes new concepts. The advantage of > having nothing to download is that there will be no duplicates. The > disadvantage is that it will be looked upon as a nice idea, as 'cute', > but will ultimately not be used. Except for very specific examples, I doubt it will make much sense. If they're hard core enough to try to understand it, they're going to want to compile it to test their theories... I would be loath to read code snippits, unless it was extremely well documented, and I don't think that would be worth your time...you may value it differently however.... For instance, if I posted my most beautiful Red-Black binary tree code, would you read it? I can't even remember how I wrote it :P > > -- > Greg Munt, greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk "I'm not bitter - just twisted." > <A HREF="http://www.uni-corn.demon.co.uk/ubiquity/">http://www.uni-corn.demon.co.uk/ubiquity/</A> > > > > > </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00454" HREF="msg00454.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Greg Munt <greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00439" HREF="msg00439.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Greg Munt <greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00444.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Linux g++</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00446.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Linux g++</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00439.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00454.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00445"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00445"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00497" HREF="msg00497.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Mon 16 Feb 1998, 22:28 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00518" HREF="msg00518.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Wed 18 Feb 1998, 04:42 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00409" HREF="msg00409.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Thu 12 Feb 1998, 00:51 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00439" HREF="msg00439.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Thu 12 Feb 1998, 19:10 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00445" HREF="msg00445.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Fri 13 Feb 1998, 00:48 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00454" HREF="msg00454.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 14 Feb 1998, 00:10 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00431" HREF="msg00431.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Stephen Zepp <a href="mailto:zoran#enid,com">zoran#enid,com</a>, Thu 12 Feb 1998, 08:36 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00447" HREF="msg00447.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 13 Feb 1998, 08:31 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00453" HREF="msg00453.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source Code Release</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 14 Feb 1998, 00:10 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>