<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients --> <!--X-From-R13: [ngg Qunggreyrl <ebbgNzcp.qla.zy.bet> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:16:46 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.3.96.980113180856.561A-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199801122219.OAA07890#under,Eng.Sun.COM --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00228.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00230.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00234.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00228.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00229">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00229">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00229">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:15:36 +0000 (GMT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:neddy#itl,net">neddy#itl,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, JC Lawrence wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:48:43 PST8PDT > Matt Chatterley<root#mpc,dyn.ml.org> wrote: > > > I think the most popular client features which people have described > > to me are an easy to view command line for entering commands (with > > no limit on length of lines), and a command history as well as a > > 'scroll back' of sorts (aka tf's /recall). > > Take a good look aththe command line abilities of JP Softwares > 4DOS/4OS2/4NT: <URL:<A HREF="http://www.jpsoft.com">http://www.jpsoft.com</A>>. Their handling of history > recall, history searching, and history paging is particularly intuitive. I glanced over the website briefly - it looks interesting (I think I'll probably try their demo to get a feel for how it works). Thanks for the pointer! > > The ability to make log files of events, connect to multiple worlds > > simultaneously and macros are also popular. > > <chortle> Mwuah. I thought I'd toss these in as a topical tidbit. All three are (mildly) controversial. Points worth note: I have never had a trouble with people logging goings on in which they are involved, or which they witness (I don't want to re-launch this debate in another guise though). This seems a particularly useful tool for RPers who like to keep records. Multiple-world connections are something I use (I tend to connect to three servers most of the time; M*U*S*H, IdeaExchange and Caffeine's test-site, and occasionally one or two others), and something many others also make use of. Interestingly I have decided that the client<>server protocol layer (working name: Spud) will provide a mechanism for the server to determine if someone is trying to connect to that server multiple times from the same client. Macros I do not personally use, but to an extent I can see the use in having them when the game server does not provide features along these lines. > > I'm interesting in hearing not only which software you folks use, > > but also *why you use it* - what does the software have that you > > like? What is missing? Personally I use tf since it is > > straightforward to use and has a nice, uncluttered display > > (something I will strive to recreate!). > > Per George Reese I am a craven dinosaur. I use raw telnet. Okay, this interests me, and I have a few questions (some more useful than others): Why? What do you like about the telnet command particularly? What do you dislike about the telnet command particularly? > > On the protocol side, one thing in my mind is to allow my mud to > > communicate its menus (currently done using the input_to() features > > of MudOS/LPC) to the client so that they appear in 'pop-up' windows > > which are clickable, and easy control of features, such as a 'spell > > selection window' for using special skills and magic, but again, > > considering this in a general fashion is harder: > > Idea: > > Have a generically configurable feature in your client that allows > commands to be constructed and entered in the MUD via GUI selections. Yes; this is in the running for part of Spud! Its something I very much want to be able to do for things such as text editors, mail and such online. > Now allow that same construction to be user configurable. > > Whazzat? Ok you did lose me here. :) > Imagine RMB clicking on your client window to have a menu of various > preset command that you have selected appear in a GUI menu. Selecting > an entry sends that command to the MUD (configurable if it hits ENTER > or not to allow subsequent editing). This I like! I may be mis-interpreting though - something along the lines of an easy to use macro/alias selection window? > Now extend that concept such that menu entries change dynamically > based on parsing of the current world context. ie you can pick > objects from your local environ to add to the current command under > construction. Something more complex on the above that selects appropriate ones based on your environment? > Next allow certain entries to pop-up basic dialog boxes with simple > radio buttons and selection lists (keyed off the environment again) to > construct more tailored commands. I definitely want to allow 'easily constructable' complex macros when I go in for this - without the need to really learn a programming language or some kind (as TF vaguely requires you to do). > Make the entire thing based of a user-written text file ala the .rc > for your root window menu under X (just done right instead). Good idea. Regards, -Matt Chatterley ICQ: 5580107 "We can recode it; we have the technology." </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00221" HREF="msg00221.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> JC Lawrence <claw#under,Eng.Sun.COM></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00228.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00230.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00234.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00228.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00229"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00229"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00227" HREF="msg00227.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</a>, Tue 13 Jan 1998, 15:26 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00230" HREF="msg00230.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Tue 13 Jan 1998, 19:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00232" HREF="msg00232.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 13 Jan 1998, 23:44 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00234" HREF="msg00234.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</a>, Wed 14 Jan 1998, 00:57 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00229" HREF="msg00229.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 13 Jan 1998, 18:16 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00228" HREF="msg00228.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Tue 13 Jan 1998, 15:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00231" HREF="msg00231.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 13 Jan 1998, 23:50 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00237" HREF="msg00237.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 14 Jan 1998, 11:47 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00239" HREF="msg00239.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Wed 14 Jan 1998, 15:21 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>