<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5? --> <!--X-From-R13: Hnqvz Fxnpuraxb <inqvzgN4pf.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:28:34 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 34CB843D.E6BF462F#4cs,com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 9801241718.8raw@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA --> <!--X-Reference: 34CA4AA8.405E3BB2#darklock,com --> <!--X-Reference: 34CAD812.F7A04CE#4cs,com --> <!--X-Reference: 34CAEB8E.85FD05EB#darklock,com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00310.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00312.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00310.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00442.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00311">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00311">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00311">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Vadim Tkachenko <<A HREF="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:28:13 -0600</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > Vadim Tkachenko wrote: [skipped] > So you don't consider Java just as proprietary as NSAPI and ASP, even though Sun has > repeatedly lied and cheated in its presentation of the technology? Let's not make it yet another religious war, OK? My personal opinion (please don't comment on it, just acknowledge): I didn't pay attention to Sun's words (because I don't listen to them), I've been considering the deeds. As a result of those deeds, I have _free_ JDK 1.1.3 on _free_ Linux platform with all _free_ stuff I care about. > And what exactly do you mean, all *decent* servers? Please. Let's subset to those I pay attention to: 1) Apache (free and good) 2) Netscape (my company relies on it) 3) JavaServer (hadn't played with it yet, but given my direction of mind, will definitely). I believe, three is more than enough - not as a flamebite, but just to extend my area of knowledge - can you point me out to anything which can't be done with those above? I know (suspect?) that NSAPI isn't for Apache nor JavaServer, what else? > > which gives you even more platform > > independency than the solutions you've mentioned. > > Well, considering I was trying to come up with solutions that would be more feasible > with the release of the Netscape source, I don't think platform-independence had any > place in the list. Not so for me - see, I'm a UNIX freak in a Windows world, and it takes a lot to produce the Windows-targeted products (commercial quality) on a UNIX (Linux ;-) platform :-) So I have to care about that :-) > > > This is all off the top of my head, of course, and while a lot of people might > > > wonder what the hell I'm thinking by saying that we could actually use > > > JavaScript as a MUD scripting language, > > > > Don't you think it's too unstable for a complicated solutions? Every Javascript app > > I've seen so far is way too flaky... > > Most of the flakiness around JavaScript seems due to the vagaries of the HTTP protocol. > JavaScript tries to run immediately, without waiting for the rest of the page to > load... which spells disaster a lot of the time. I think that was a BAD decision; at > the very least, it should wait for the rest of the current document to load. I don't > think it's as noticable if you're sitting on a leased line, which of course is > something which plagues development... the developers go 'works fine over here!', and > neglect to realise that maybe perhaps that dual-processor PPro 200 with 128 megs of RAM > and a TSU on his desktop might make a difference. I take your word for it because I've never dealt with Javascript - just pure Java > Not to mention a lot of JavaScript I've seen is done by non-programmers, and it shows. > Were your first dozen or so C programs any better? ;) Sure not :-) > True enough. In which case, write a C compiler. Any decent CompSci graduate, > incidentally, already has. ;> Not me :-) See, my grade was in hardware, not software :-) > > PS: This is a first message I'm writing from Netscape 4.04 for Win95, and the > > quoting style looks weird - can someone drop me a note if it looks weird for you > > too? > > It looks weird, works wrong, and pisses me off. Feel better? ;) Yes, because I see the quoting from your side as usual, which means that fancy blue line at the left of the quoted text is just a Netscape's way to display the quote :-) > =+[caliban#darklock,com]=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=[<A HREF="http://www.darklock.com/]+=">http://www.darklock.com/]+=</A> --vt </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00302" HREF="msg00302.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA (Chris Gray)</LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00305" HREF="msg00305.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00308" HREF="msg00308.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Vadim Tkachenko <vadimt#4cs,com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00310" HREF="msg00310.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00310.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00312.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00310.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00442.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00311"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00311"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00303" HREF="msg00303.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Sat 24 Jan 1998, 19:24 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00305" HREF="msg00305.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sat 24 Jan 1998, 20:11 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00308" HREF="msg00308.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</a>, Sun 25 Jan 1998, 06:14 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00310" HREF="msg00310.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 25 Jan 1998, 07:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00311" HREF="msg00311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vadimt#4cs,com">vadimt#4cs,com</a>, Sun 25 Jan 1998, 18:28 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00442" HREF="msg00442.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Thu 12 Feb 1998, 22:07 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00301" HREF="msg00301.html">Clients based on Netscape 5?</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 24 Jan 1998, 01:16 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00295" HREF="msg00295.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Socket programming - platform specific</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Jan 1998, 15:49 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00304" HREF="msg00304.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Socket programming - platform specific</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 24 Jan 1998, 19:46 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>