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<H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</H1>
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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:35:15 -5</LI>
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On 2 Jul 98, Koster, Raph wrote:
> > From: Marian Griffith [SMTP:gryphon#iaehv,nl]
> > In <URL:<A HREF="news:local.muddev">news:local.muddev</A>> on Mon 29 Jun, Koster, Raph wrote:
> >
> > > If you are coding a system whereby nobody can strike another person
> > > *even in justifiable circumstances*, what sort of society have you made,
> > > and what sort of ruler are you?
> >
> > Here we have a point worth of very serious discussion. And one where I
> > very much have to disagree with you. I do not belief that there can be
> > justifiable circumstances to strike at somebody else. At least not in
> > a game that attempts to provide a safe environment.
> >
> What about "keeping it safe"?
>
I'd argue that violence cannot and does not occur within any mud.
> >
> > Restrictive does not make it stalinist. Nor fascist. The game prevents
> > certain actions that would, if unchecked one way or the other, become
> > harmfull to the majority of the players. Player's freedom is not taken
> > away. Only certain actions that would otherwise be prevented in diffe-
> > rent ways (e.g. by player vigilante activities).
Restricting actions, restricts freedoms. I very much agree that the
characterizations of fascist and stalinist are unfair.
> > This is partly a problem because of the way power works in muds. The
> > only power there is -is- that of the sword.
>
> Not at all! As Dr Cat rightly points out, solutions such as ostracism
> are very powerful. Of course, given the fluidity of identity, ostracism
> is hard to implement. :(
>
Identity can be made much less fluid, through email registration,
character registration, etc. BTW, I would think commercial providers
would have a stronger handle on identity via electronic payment
systems and/or client software registration. Ostracism can be
implemented at the expense of anonymity.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00340" HREF="msg00340.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Fri 24 Jul 1998, 22:16 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00287" HREF="msg00287.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Tue 21 Jul 1998, 21:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00303" HREF="msg00303.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Wed 22 Jul 1998, 10:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00304" HREF="msg00304.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 22 Jul 1998, 11:18 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00071" HREF="msg00071.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 04:34 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00124" HREF="msg00124.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 19:41 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00126" HREF="msg00126.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 20:21 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00143" HREF="msg00143.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 10 Jul 1998, 05:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00284" HREF="msg00284.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Tue 21 Jul 1998, 21:19 GMT
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