<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. 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Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:57:01 -5</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 7 Jul 98, S. Patrick Gallaty wrote: > From: Jon A. Lambert <jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com> > > > How do you both define self-governance on muds? > > The absence of administration interference? Or something else? > > I think he means governance in the classic sense - > Not 'government' so much as 'governance' which implies that the system > is designed to throttle undesirable behaviour and events through > affordances rather than intervention. > > Intervention is not a scalable solution. > I think there are three distinct categories of mud governance. 1) System governance - This would be the mechanical "throttles and affordances" builtin into game mechanics. Server or game system coding that places limits and restrictions on player actions. 2) Administrator governance - Intervention by "trusted" individuals to enforce game system policies. Usually it's a responsive activity to violations after the fact. It also can be in an adjucative role during the course of gameplay. 3) Player governance - Enforcement of "rules of conduct" or resolution of in-game conflicts, through social sanction or force using mechanisms provided by the mud server. Most muds make use of blends of all three mechanisims in some form or another. I assume that self-governance refers to extending the capabilities of Player governance. It's the nature of these "posited" mechanisms that interests me. :) Are these mechanisms available equally to every player on the system? Are they only available to group formations of players? To what extent do they range into what may have been traditionally considered administrator territory? (For instance, can a user group "ban" another user from server access via a mechanism) Or are such mechanisms limited to in-game counterparts to real world constructs? (Like police forces, legal systems, etc.) etc... -- --/*\ Jon A. Lambert - TychoMUD Internet:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com /*\-- --/*\ Mud Server Developer's Page <<A HREF="http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc">http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc</A>> /*\-- --/*\ "Everything that deceives may be said to enchant" - Plato /*\-- </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00102" HREF="msg00102.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Matthew R. Sheahan" <chaos#crystal,palace.net></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00075" HREF="msg00075.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "S. 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Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 20:20 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00073" HREF="msg00073.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 04:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00077" HREF="msg00077.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Mike Sellers <a href="mailto:mike#bignetwork,com">mike#bignetwork,com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 06:31 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00075" HREF="msg00075.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 05:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00101" HREF="msg00101.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 04:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00102" HREF="msg00102.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Matthew R. Sheahan <a href="mailto:chaos#crystal,palace.net">chaos#crystal,palace.net</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 05:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00138" HREF="msg00138.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 10 Jul 1998, 03:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00461" HREF="msg00461.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 03 Aug 1998, 20:02 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00482" HREF="msg00482.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Jon A. 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