<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. Znzoreg" <wyflfvapNvk.argpbz.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:57:44 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199807080457.XAA27661@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 11A17AA2B9EAD111BCEA00A0C9B417932EE962#forest,origin.ea.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00072.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00074.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00065.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00077.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00073">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00073">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00073">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:58:20 -5</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 29 Jun 98, Koster, Raph wrote: > > From: Mike Sellers [SMTP:mike#bignetwork,com] > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 8:09 PM > > To: mud-dev#kanga,nu > > Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun > > > > At 04:30 PM 6/26/98 -0500, Dr. Cat wrote: > > >Raph Koster wrote: > > > > > The topic of wholly created societies > > does not exist in the literature in any form that speaks to online > > communities (beyond the level of the likes of Howard Rheingold and > > Sherry > > Turkle, which doesn't take us very far). Given that, it's not > > surprising > > that a bunch of (here I go again) young white mostly-unmarried male > > suburbanite refugee designers haven't been able to do it either. > > The youth argument is rational and understandable and as a consequence of youth those that are married would be less common. I can't quite grasp the logic that being white and male would be disadvantageous to creating online societies. Are you postulating that black females will have more success at creating online societies? > I think we have to share the blame. For that matter, I don't consider it > "blame" as such as a plain old recognition of facts. I do not think the > average Internet gamer who plays a mud is ready for self-governance. I > also do not think the average real world citizen is fully engaged with > their local community or participates in THEIR governance either. Did > you vote in your last local election? I didn't, and thus I am pointing a > finger at myself as well. I am not saying that I have all the answers. How do you both define self-governance on muds? The absence of administration interference? Or something else? -- --/*\ Jon A. Lambert - TychoMUD Internet:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com /*\-- --/*\ Mud Server Developer's Page <<A HREF="http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc">http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc</A>> /*\-- --/*\ "Everything that deceives may be said to enchant" - Plato /*\-- </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00077" HREF="msg00077.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Mike Sellers <mike#bignetwork,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00072.html">[MUD-Dev] An Introduction</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00074.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00065.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00077.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00073"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00073"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00063" HREF="msg00063.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 19:28 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00066" HREF="msg00066.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 21:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00064" HREF="msg00064.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 19:51 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00065" HREF="msg00065.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Tue 07 Jul 1998, 20:20 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00073" HREF="msg00073.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 04:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00077" HREF="msg00077.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Mike Sellers <a href="mailto:mike#bignetwork,com">mike#bignetwork,com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 06:31 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00075" HREF="msg00075.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Wed 08 Jul 1998, 05:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00101" HREF="msg00101.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 04:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00102" HREF="msg00102.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Matthew R. Sheahan <a href="mailto:chaos#crystal,palace.net">chaos#crystal,palace.net</a>, Thu 09 Jul 1998, 05:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>