<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ... --> <!--X-From-R13: Pra Uerrne <terrneNploreuvtujnl.arg> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:25:21 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.3.96.980824220856.27810A-100000#shamen,cyberhighway.net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 001f01bdcf33$689ddda0$15b8989e@uni-corn --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00837.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00839.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00832.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00836.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00838">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00838">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00838">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Ben Greear <<A HREF="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:21:49 -0700 (MST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Greg Munt wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Greear <greear#cyberhighway,net> > To: mud-dev#kanga,nu <mud-dev#kanga,nu> > Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 10:31 PM > Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ... > > >It doesn't have to be any more complex than reading bytes > >from a socket, and writing others back to the socket. It > >has little to do with telnet itself. I would suggest downloading > >some mud code, circle, diku, or whatever and start looking > >at the select, bind, socket, gethostbyname, and related system > >calls. > > > I heartily disagree that maintaining connections with telnet clients 'has > little to do with telnet itself'. Just because most (an assumed 'most', > admittedly) stock muds support no more than TELOPT_ECHO, this doesn't mean > that is what *should* be done. If you are going to write from scratch, you > may as well do it right! (What happens when an old client, which doesnt > support line mode, tries to connect?) I guess what I meant was that you didn't have to do anything specific to telnet to handle a connection, but of course you can if you want. I would suggest getting *something* working, and then add to that. I have always thought of telnet, as a client, a dying thing. Those who use it, will always use it...but very few new users adopt it. Also, I have a very limited concept of the actual telnet-protocol, and I'm constantly amazed that it can handle something as primitive as my server (nothing but plain text and newlines....). However, I don't claim to be right, or even close on this, so by all means, implemente the rest of the protocol if you wish! > > Also, one thing that has always confused me about ScryMUD: why reimplement > DIKU from scratch? I can think of no good reason for it. I was young(er) and dumb(er) than I am now when I started. When I finally realized how to code well, I had already invested 2 years in it...so I felt as though I should perservere and 'finish' it up. If I had spent three years figuring out how circle code worked, I would probably be at least as far along as I am now in understanding the code, but I would not have the pride and ownership that keeps me going... For my next project, I think I'll re-write MERC :) > > On the subject of socket programming, I found the entries in the Linux > 'info' documentation an excellent source, with many examples. > > > -- > MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future. > Ben Greear (greear#cyberhighway,net) <A HREF="http://www.primenet.com/~greear">http://www.primenet.com/~greear</A> Author of ScryMUD: mud.primenet.com 4444 <A HREF="http://www.primenet.com/~greear/ScryMUD/scry.html">http://www.primenet.com/~greear/ScryMUD/scry.html</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00832" HREF="msg00832.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Greg Munt" <greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00837.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00839.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Modular MUD [Was:Finer points of Telnet programming ...]</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00832.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00836.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00838"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00838"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00834" HREF="msg00834.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 24 Aug 1998, 21:23 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00827" HREF="msg00827.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Sun 23 Aug 1998, 18:42 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00831" HREF="msg00831.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, quzah <a href="mailto:quzah#geocities,com">quzah#geocities,com</a>, Mon 24 Aug 1998, 05:56 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00832" HREF="msg00832.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Mon 24 Aug 1998, 07:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00838" HREF="msg00838.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Tue 25 Aug 1998, 05:25 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00836" HREF="msg00836.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, quzah <a href="mailto:quzah#geocities,com">quzah#geocities,com</a>, Tue 25 Aug 1998, 00:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00837" HREF="msg00837.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Tue 25 Aug 1998, 02:10 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00820" HREF="msg00820.html">[MUD-Dev] Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, Jynx (Wyrm / Tygr / Myth) Ryn <a href="mailto:jynx_ryn#mindless,com">jynx_ryn#mindless,com</a>, Sun 23 Aug 1998, 07:30 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00822" HREF="msg00822.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Finer points of Telnet programming ...</A></strong>, Marc Hernandez <a href="mailto:marc#jb,com">marc#jb,com</a>, Sun 23 Aug 1998, 08:06 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>