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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun </LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Robert Woods <<A HREF="mailto:rwoods#nebula,honors.unr.edu">rwoods#nebula,honors.unr.edu</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:49:43 -0700 (PDT)</LI>
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On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Jon A. Lambert wrote:
> I would suggest that most all games place a value on certain actions.
> Such valuations may or may not coincide with the valuations placed
> on comparable actions in the real world. Yes, I said most. Even in
> mud games where most all of the rules regarding RL morals, civility
> and ethics are suspended, there are usually some rules which are
> enforced merely to hold players. I don't know many free-for-all
> games that hold players for long if it is well known that admins and
> their personal friends roam about with invincible characters randomly
> killing anyone who logs in. Game players will always bring a very
> basic (e)valuation to any game. If the game is fixed and/or known to
> be unwinnable and without enjoyment it is not a desirable game to
> play. It may not even qualify as a game at all. Sort of like
> "Calvin-ball", if anyone gets the reference. ;)
I'm not sure that Calvinball is a good analogy. After all, for Calvin,
Hobbes, and even the babysitter on one occasion, Calvinball is a great
game. Even though the rules are subject to change at whim (which,
incidentally, I was on the staff of a MUD like that), the point of
the game is to waste time being silly. A better example to me would be a
blackjack/poker game where the deck is marked and the dealer is a known
cheater.
But, I agree totally with you that there are many rules that are there
simply to keep players from giving up and leaving. I have noticed also
that the smaller MUDs tend to have more of these rules, where the larger,
more established MUDs tend to be a lot more relaxed about it. There are
probably exceptions on both ends of the spectrum, but most that I have
experienced have been like that.
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I'm not insane, I'm just irrational.
-Bob
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00288" HREF="msg00288.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Tue 21 Jul 1998, 22:19 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00320" HREF="msg00320.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Thu 23 Jul 1998, 20:23 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00466" HREF="msg00466.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 03 Aug 1998, 20:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00484" HREF="msg00484.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 07:38 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00486" HREF="msg00486.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Robert Woods <a href="mailto:rwoods#nebula,honors.unr.edu">rwoods#nebula,honors.unr.edu</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 08:49 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00554" HREF="msg00554.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 05:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00487" HREF="msg00487.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Wed 05 Aug 1998, 13:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00553" HREF="msg00553.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 05:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00035" HREF="msg00035.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 19:46 GMT
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