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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi </LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" &lt;<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>&gt;</LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:24:32 -5</LI>
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On  7 Aug 98, Dan Shiovitz wrote:
&gt; On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, J C Lawrence wrote:
&gt; &gt; On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:46:36 -5 
&gt; &gt; Jon A Lambert&lt;jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com&gt; wrote:
&gt; [..]
&gt; &gt; &gt; Nod.  The availability of @gag did not prevent the Mr. Bungle
&gt; &gt; &gt; incident.  Nor would @gag or "squelch" affect third party
&gt; &gt; &gt; observation of such activity.
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; A thought:
&gt; [..]
&gt; &gt;   As the number of gags increased on a player, the distance
&gt; &gt; propagation of his speech, or of his proxies speech would be decreased
&gt; &gt; proportionally.  Ultimately perhaps he would have to shout to be heard
&gt; &gt; by someone standing immediately beside him.

Nod. hmm.
 
&gt; If you're going to do something like this, why not just let people
&gt; vote to prevent players from speaking at all? Say, if 10% of the
&gt; people on the mud (minimum 10) vote to @gag someone, that person gets
&gt; gagged for the next thirty minutes or until a wizard ungags them. You
&gt; can of course expand this sort of system to handle all the wizard
&gt; functions: @boot probably requires slightly fewer votes than @gag,
&gt; @toadplayer requires a lot of votes, @siteban requires virtual
&gt; unanimity. There's some stuff to work out here about preventing
&gt; multiple votes from the same person and how long the voting period
&gt; should be and so on, but no biggie.  

Some excellent ideas here.  This gives players access to OOC 
mechanisms on a limited basis.  It might be particularly handy for
muds which cannot for various reasons supply 24/7 supervision.
While some of these mechanisms can be abused in certain social 
environments (those that contain high ratios of jerks), I think
use of these mechanisms might also provide a more focused point 
for triggering automated logging.   For instance @gag requests could 
be logged and when these escalate to global levels, more detailed 
logging of activity could be triggered.  This might provide a level
of post-event review to check against abuse.
  
&gt; (If you want, it might be better to do a chit system instead of a
&gt; voting period. You have X chits you can give out. If a person
&gt; accumulates N chits, they get whatever penalty is appropriate. This is
&gt; basically a slightly-more-decentralized version of the voting system.)

I like these ideas, though I'd much rather disguise and hide the 
"voting" aspect.  Yes, this is a form of player voting, but I am 
wary leading players into thinking that anything relating to mud 
administration is democratic.  Changing the aspects of "voting" is 
more politically painful than changing mechanics of @gag.  And all 
@gags are not created equal. :)   A player with game master privilege 
would have more "votes" or weight.  Such mechanisms for OOC 
enforcements may be integrated into in-game thematic constructs. 
(i.e. literal as well as mechanical "toading") 

This also might have implications in enforcement of role-playing in
an immersive RP environment.  How about the @GOP command?
  
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00543" HREF="msg00543.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, 
Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Fri 07 Aug 1998, 21:42 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00544" HREF="msg00544.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, 
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00550" HREF="msg00550.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, 
Dan Shiovitz <a href="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu">dbs#cs,wisc.edu</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 02:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00552" HREF="msg00552.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, 
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 08 Aug 1998, 04:27 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00560" HREF="msg00560.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, 
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