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<LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>, Oliver Jowett <<A HREF="mailto:oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz">oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz</A>></LI>
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<LI><em>From</em>: James Wilson <<A HREF="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:07:24 -0400</LI>
<LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI>
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On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, Oliver Jowett wrote:
>Abandoned Reality's idea tracking system database is now accessible at:
>
><A HREF="http://abandoned.org:4448/its">http://abandoned.org:4448/its</A>
Lots of good stuff there. Some item-specific observations:
#4096, on objects as spell repositories (<url:
<A HREF="http://abandoned.org:4448/its/4096">http://abandoned.org:4448/its/4096</A>>) is along the lines of
a magic system I sketched once, which was based on
the system in Zelazny's second 'Amber' series. Also there
was some talk in Dragon magazine about 'one-off' spells
living in objects and dissipated by use. (The same article
talked about 'spell objects' that allowed a mage to cast the
same spell over and over without rememorization, which is
of course only applicable in a vancian magic system.) This
could be a good way to enable lower-level mages to
participate a bit in the magic-item economy, although of
course the big items would have to wait - balance is always
a bit tricky when it comes to mages.
#4014 (<url: <A HREF="http://abandoned.org:4448/its/4104">http://abandoned.org:4448/its/4104</A>> (and a parallel
thread on the Armageddon board) pose an interesting problem:
how can one properly model objects masking one another? The
example given is of a cloak, where apparently the cloak is
supposed to be masking everything else worn on the body.
However, if one wears anything, something (be it your aureolae or
your wife-beater shirt) will be masked to the degree by which the
outer object masks it, which might not be a _perfect_ mask
(imagine a halter top over chainmail). Also, presumably after
a certain period of time and abuse a cloak would develop some
holes, through which one's nudity, armor, glowing energy-body
(anybody here see 'Cocoon'?), whatever, could be visible.
This seems to be a complicated problem for the realists.
#4105 <url: <A HREF="http://abandoned.org:4448/its/4105">http://abandoned.org:4448/its/4105</A>> reflects our
previous discussions on memory. Here it is a limited example
(Bob draws the sword of ass-kicking and thermonuclear decapitation.
Bob pokes you amusingly with his sword.) but one which clearly
extends to 'I know X, so I perceive Y differently'. The limited
example is easy to fix with a first-impression/subsequent-impression
distinction; the general problem is (I think) a candidate for
double dispatch, i.e. Bob's perception of Y is a function of Bob's
memory and Y's state, both of which change over time.
James
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01085" HREF="msg01085.html">[MUD-Dev] ADMIN: Digests are now functioning</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 20 Sep 1998, 17:24 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="01084" HREF="msg01084.html">[MUD-Dev] Forced story line...</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01086" HREF="msg01086.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Forced story line...</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01071" HREF="msg01071.html">[MUD-Dev] AR's idea database</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01074" HREF="msg01074.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: AR's idea database</A></strong>,
James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Sat 19 Sep 1998, 13:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01070" HREF="msg01070.html">[MUD-Dev] Admin</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sat 19 Sep 1998, 02:50 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="01068" HREF="msg01068.html">[MUD-Dev] Project: ROADS database of MUD-related papers?</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Sat 19 Sep 1998, 00:23 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="01067" HREF="msg01067.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Economics: Arrow's Impossibility Theorem</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Fri 18 Sep 1998, 23:31 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="01065" HREF="msg01065.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Fri 18 Sep 1998, 21:10 GMT
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