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<LI><em>From</em>: Vadim Tkachenko <<A HREF="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:21:43 -0500</LI>
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Adam J. Thornton wrote:
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> I decided against Java for my stuff, which was hard, since Java has great
> networking and threading support out of the box.
You forgot to mention other beautiful stuff, such as (off the top of my
head, and I'm talking about JDK 1.2b4):
- serialization (which, though, can be considered a part of networking)
- SQL support
- security support (may not be that useful for MUDs, but great for other
networked stuff, as well as for the Q&A - I'm talking about 1.2 security
model)
> Java is A) slow. This probably won't be a problem in a couple
> years.
Both true. And, the difference between JDK 1.1 and 1.2 (beta4, in
particular) is just breathtaking.
> B) it keeps changing.
So what?
> This is the most important, as far as I am
> concerned. Until it settles down, I don't want to write any code for it,
> knowing that I may have to change it in six months or a year.
The solution which worked for me since JDK 1.02 is the architecture
wrappers. I don't want to create the impression that I didn't have to
modify any code at all, but well, that was quite reasonable (well, on
the second thought, I'm going to contradict myself :-):
- 1.02 to 1.1: Thread.stop() to Thread.interrupt() and
DataInputStream.readLine() to BufferedReader.readLine(), on the lowest
possible level. I do not explicitly handle the thread control actions
and events with java.lang.Thread method calls. Also, added 'throws
Throwable' to finalize(). I don't remember any other *significant*
changes.
- 1.1 to 1.2: nothing significant I can remember of. Thanks God, I
didn't get deep enough into the security stuff.
As a bottomline:
When I first read the Java White Paper in 1995, I stared at the ceiling
for a while and then swore with passion. Just because Java contained
about 80% of the code I've been working on for about 5 years (like no
pointers, collections, multithreading) in its core.
And I still keep swearing once in a while - last time just now, because
in order to be exact I had to consult the manuals and find out that
they're actually very close to support the MIME, which I've already done
to some extent, the previous thing I can remember at the moment is SMTP
support (JavaMail).
But, on the bright side, Okay, I need something and create possibly
imperfect implementation, and it works for me for a while, and they do
it later, when I already know how to deal with it (admit that the
implementation of similar things will have similar interfaces), and as a
result my code becomes lighter and more stable.
> Adam
--
Still alive and smile stays on,
Vadim Tkachenko <vt#freehold,crocodile.org>
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UNIX _is_ user friendly, he's just very picky about who his friends are
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00960" HREF="msg00960.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>,
Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Sat 05 Sep 1998, 04:06 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00961" HREF="msg00961.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>,
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Sat 05 Sep 1998, 05:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00939" HREF="msg00939.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>,
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Fri 04 Sep 1998, 05:15 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00930" HREF="msg00930.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>,
Adam J. Thornton <a href="mailto:adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU">adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU</a>, Thu 03 Sep 1998, 15:41 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00940" HREF="msg00940.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>,
Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Fri 04 Sep 1998, 05:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00942" HREF="msg00942.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>,
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Fri 04 Sep 1998, 05:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00966" HREF="msg00966.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 05 Sep 1998, 20:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00948" HREF="msg00948.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wild idea.. :)</A></strong>,
Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Fri 04 Sep 1998, 20:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00920" HREF="msg00920.html">[MUD-Dev] Intermud Communication...is it worth it?</A></strong>,
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Thu 03 Sep 1998, 04:36 GMT
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