<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun --> <!--X-From-R13: [ngg Qunggreyrl <znggNzcp.qla.zy.bet> --> <!--X-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:46:56 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: XFMail.980815184502.matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: multipart/signed --> <!--X-Reference: 199807011928.MAA03218#under,engr.sgi.com --> <!--X-Derived: pgp00003.pgp --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00737.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00739.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00049.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00010.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00738">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00738">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00738">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:02 -0000 (GMT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 01-Jul-98 J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:28:40 -0700 > Richard Woolcock<KaVir#dial,pipex.com> wrote: > >> J C Lawrence wrote: > >>> If you really want players to set up burger flipping enterprises >>> and others such in your MUDs, and you want such attempts to be the >>> default, you're going to have to establish event (player-visible >>> effects) rates and feedback rates for burger joint attempts that >>> match or exceed the event rates of shish kebabbing newbies. > >> Or make shish kebabbing newbies a very messy, predictable and >> unrewarding event? > > Its difficult to make in unrewarding when it continues to create such > a large and often emotive effect on the victim. "Hey! You killed me > you arsehole! I'm gonna get you!" Is one hell of a reward to try and > combat via code. Bazoom. Thats the big question. Or one of them. It's not even totally possible to rig things so that the victim does not *know* that it was a PK. It's possible to take steps towards this, and also, similar steps in the other direction with your NPCs - why shouldn't an NPC beg for mercy? Or run away, or launch sneak attacks? I think this partly comes down to blurring the definition lines between PC and NPC - to me, the only significant difference is a technical one; that PCs are connected to a socket, and NPCs are not. Perhaps by reducing the extent to which the game revolves around the PCs, more to a point where PCs are an important part of the game (but not the sole point and aim). Interesting. >> The result? Hopefully killing will only be done out of necessity or >> for political gain. > > And the above? Something else to ponder: Non-lethal combat. --- -Matt Chatterley <A HREF="http://user.itl.net/~neddy/">http://user.itl.net/~neddy/</A> "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.." -John Lennon (Imagine) </PRE> <P><A HREF="pgp00003.pgp" >PGP signature</A></P> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00007" HREF="msg00007.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00737.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00739.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: FW: UBE/high: Re: W IRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00049.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00010.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00738"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00738"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00007" HREF="msg00007.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 19:30 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00009" HREF="msg00009.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 19:47 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00011" HREF="msg00011.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 20:12 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00049" HREF="msg00049.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 06 Jul 1998, 18:26 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00738" HREF="msg00738.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 15 Aug 1998, 17:46 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00010" HREF="msg00010.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Wed 01 Jul 1998, 19:50 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00030" HREF="msg00030.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 01:12 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00033" HREF="msg00033.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 02 Jul 1998, 17:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00158" HREF="msg00158.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: WIRED: Kilers have more fun</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Sat 11 Jul 1998, 00:59 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>