<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi --> <!--X-From-R13: "Re. 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Here's something to consider... say > Bubba who is now squelched wanders around telling everyone in the mud > that Buffy is a <insert derogatory term of choice>. Word gets back to > Buffy. Is this something Buffy should be upset about? Is it something > Buffy should have recourse for?Is it something an admin needs to step in > for, or is the proper answer to have everyone in the game squelch Bubba > too? Whether Buffy should or should not get upset, practically speaking I can tell you that if you run a mud mostly populated by people in the 10-21 age range, often she will. Giving any "official" form of recourse to the offense of lying about someone or the offense of insulting someone will lead to a hugely litigious society, in my opinion. (Of course if someone has the design goal of creating a hugely litigious society, they should probably feel free!) Buffy does have the same recourse most people have in real life about such problems - as you so often here in discussions of things like the ACLU defending the Illinois Nazis right to hold a march or a public speech or whatever: "The antidote to free speech is more free speech". One place where the admins could step in is simply to inform users of this fact when they have a complaint. I've lost track of the number of times I've told some player "If someone is lying about you or smearing your reptutation, go tell everyone the truth about it. If you lose some friends because they won't believe you and would rather believe the guy that's lying about you, they probably weren't very good friends to have anyway." Of course this could be put in the introductory or help text somewhere, where all the players will avoid reading it in order to plunge right into the game and have as many problems as possible. :X) *-------------------------------------------**-----------------------------* Dr. Cat / Dragon's Eye Productions || Free alpha test: *-------------------------------------------** <A HREF="http://www.bga.com/furcadia">http://www.bga.com/furcadia</A> Furcadia - a new graphic mud for PCs! || Let your imagination soar! *-------------------------------------------**-----------------------------* </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00241" HREF="msg00241.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Jon A. 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Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 17 Jul 1998, 03:07 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00243" HREF="msg00243.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: UBE/high: Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Fri 17 Jul 1998, 19:48 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00202" HREF="msg00202.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 14 Jul 1998, 07:46 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00542" HREF="msg00542.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Affordances and social method (Was: Re: Wi</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Fri 07 Aug 1998, 21:26 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>