<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design --> <!--X-From-R13: Pra Uerrne <terrneNploreuvtujnl.arg> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:14 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3718094A.999AAFF1#cyberhighway,net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 19990416195942.A1116#donut,dhis.org --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00056.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00058.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00054.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00059.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00057">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00057">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00057">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Ben Greear <<A HREF="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:08:42 +0000</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:greear#burrito,cyberhighway.net">greear#burrito,cyberhighway.net</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Shane King wrote: > > I'm currently working on a mud design, and what I'm really a little > stuck on is the best way to progress with respect to virtual machine > design. As I see it, there are four basic options I could go with: > > 1) A java virtual machine, running compiled java (or java-like) code > 2) Adapt an existing virtual machine from another mud to my needs > 3) Write my own virtual machine, and make it a target for the egcs > compiler, thus allowing it to run byte compiled C/C++ code. > 4) Write my own virtual machine, and write my own mud language. > > Am I missing any options here? I'm curious why so many people want to build internal languages into their MUD? I don't mean to sound critical, it's just that I have never really seen the benefit. These are the issues that I see: 1) Common users can't program in any real language, so why implement one in the game. Surely it would be easier to just write all the code in a 'real' language of your choice and then use readily available compilers to make it into a binary.... 2) Common users can script, so I definately see the need for simple scripting. 3) I understand that many people strive for a basic interpreter type of shell, which is incredibly flexible, and then use this language to write their game particulars in. However, to me this looks a lot like re-writing the OS. 4) I think it would be pretty cool to implement such a system, just for the sake of coding it up, but I don't see the practical benefits. Please enlighten me! :) Ben > -- > - Shane King <thandor#ihug,com.au> <ICQ#:2492866> > <<A HREF="http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~thandor/">http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~thandor/</A>> -- Ben Greear (greear#cyberhighway,net) <A HREF="http://www.primenet.com/~greear">http://www.primenet.com/~greear</A> Author of ScryMUD: mud.primenet.com 4444 (Released under GPL) <A HREF="http://www.primenet.com/~greear/ScryMUD/scry.html">http://www.primenet.com/~greear/ScryMUD/scry.html</A> _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00077" HREF="msg00077.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Petri Virkkula <pvirkkul#iki,fi></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00063" HREF="msg00063.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Oliver Jowett <icecube#ihug,co.nz></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00061" HREF="msg00061.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Niklas Elmqvist <d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00059" HREF="msg00059.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Shane King <thandor#donut,dhis.org></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00054" HREF="msg00054.html">[MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Shane King <thandor#donut,dhis.org></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00056.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Blending graphics with text</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00058.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00054.html">[MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00059.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00057"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00057"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>RE: [MUD-Dev] Sockets</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00293" HREF="msg00293.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Sockets</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 18 May 1999, 06:37 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00257" HREF="msg00257.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Sockets</A></strong>, Mark Gritter <a href="mailto:mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU">mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU</a>, Sat 15 May 1999, 09:31 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00269" HREF="msg00269.html">[MUD-Dev] Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Sockets</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Sun 16 May 1999, 21:07 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00054" HREF="msg00054.html">[MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong>, Shane King <a href="mailto:thandor#donut,dhis.org">thandor#donut,dhis.org</a>, Fri 16 Apr 1999, 06:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00057" HREF="msg00057.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Sat 17 Apr 1999, 04:43 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00059" HREF="msg00059.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong>, Shane King <a href="mailto:thandor#donut,dhis.org">thandor#donut,dhis.org</a>, Sat 17 Apr 1999, 05:09 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00062" HREF="msg00062.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Sat 17 Apr 1999, 16:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00074" HREF="msg00074.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong>, claw <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 18 Apr 1999, 17:09 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00087" HREF="msg00087.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual machine design</A></strong>, Alex Stewart <a href="mailto:riche#crl,com">riche#crl,com</a>, Mon 19 Apr 1999, 19:02 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>