<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing) --> <!--X-From-R13: Qnyvona Fverfvnf Rnexybpx <pnyvonaNqnexybpx.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:26:21 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 4.1.19990602025829.00bcb860#pop,darklock.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199906020735.CAA09102#laurel,actlab.utexas.edu --> <!--X-Reference: 199906020919.CAA04760#erdos,Stanford.EDU --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00380.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00382.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00380.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00386.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00381">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00381">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00381">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Caliban Tiresias Darklock <<A HREF="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 03:20:34 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 02:19 AM 6/2/99 -0700, I personally witnessed Mark Gritter jumping up to say: > >But a MUD doesn't need "precise communication"! Yes it does. When I give the computer a command, I want it to understand *precisely* what I want and get busy doing it. I don't want to type for a long period of time, and I don't want to be encouraged to use confusing words because the computer can handle them half the time. I want to command the computer EXACTLY, every time. Natural language FAILS THIS TEST. We all know it fails this test. My mother thinks "I don't want any" means "I don't feel like getting up to get it so you should go bring it to me". My father thinks "I'm not hungry" means "I only want a *half* pound steak". Half of my friends think "I'm busy to go to the movies" means "Why don't you come over". (The other half think it means "I don't like you".) Language is inherently ambiguous. If I had a fantastic day yesterday, a terrific day today, and I have a wonderful day tomorrow, which day was better? >I agree wholeheartedly that users want consistency and "intuitiveness"--- but >I don't believe that they really want to learn a different set of conventions >from what they already know. Mark, I hate to tell you this, but the population at large knows dick about the conventions of natural language. They can't spell, their grammar is atrocious, and their vocabulary is extremely limited. While NLP may be a really nifty project to work on, it just plain isn't something users are going to be able to work well with. ----- | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban#darklock,com | Darklock Communications <A HREF="http://www.darklock.com/">http://www.darklock.com/</A> | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00403" HREF="msg00403.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Greg Miller <gmiller#classic-games,com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00386" HREF="msg00386.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Travis S. Casey" <efindel#io,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00379" HREF="msg00379.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Text Parsing</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Cynbe ru Taren <cynbe#muq,org></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00380" HREF="msg00380.html">[MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Mark Gritter <mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00380.html">[MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00382.html">[MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00380.html">[MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00386.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00381"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00381"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Text Parsing</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00429" HREF="msg00429.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Text Parsing</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 03 Jun 1999, 04:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00438" HREF="msg00438.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Text Parsing</A></strong>, Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Thu 03 Jun 1999, 05:59 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00379" HREF="msg00379.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Text Parsing</A></strong>, Cynbe ru Taren <a href="mailto:cynbe#muq,org">cynbe#muq,org</a>, Wed 02 Jun 1999, 07:35 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00380" HREF="msg00380.html">[MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></strong>, Mark Gritter <a href="mailto:mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU">mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU</a>, Wed 02 Jun 1999, 09:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00381" HREF="msg00381.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 02 Jun 1999, 10:26 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00386" HREF="msg00386.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></strong>, Travis S. Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Wed 02 Jun 1999, 14:07 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00395" HREF="msg00395.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Wed 02 Jun 1999, 22:23 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00409" HREF="msg00409.html">[MUD-Dev] Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></strong>, Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Thu 03 Jun 1999, 00:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00418" HREF="msg00418.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re[2]: [MUD-Dev] Languages (slightly offtopic, was Text Parsing)</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:sarapis#achaea,com">sarapis#achaea,com</a>, Thu 03 Jun 1999, 02:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>