<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: RE: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python --> <!--X-From-R13: [nggurj [vunyl <qvnoybNorfg.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:58:25 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.BSF.4.10.9904301133200.5114-100000#shell9,ba.best.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 000001be92f0$194c7500$910030ce@amd400 --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, RE: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:diablo#best,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00114.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00116.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00136.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00127.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00115">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00115">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00115">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>RE: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: RE: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matthew Mihaly <<A HREF="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:35:51 -0700 (PDT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Greg Munt wrote: > > I guess my opposition stems from the fact that players are being influenced > from outside of the game world, rather than from within it. This is a big > topic in itself, not confined to the censorship issue. I believe that > external influences to the world make it artificial, and not virtual. If the lack of external influences on a world make it artificial vs. virtual (I'm not sure such a distinction is valid) then it's too late, unless you want to invent new systems of morality that are not based on real-life ideas of 'justice' and 'fairness', etc. You'd also have to avoid ever speaking real-life languages like English. I h ave yet to see a game that is not defined by external influences in fact. Dwarves, elves, dragons, trolls, etc etc etc are also all a result of external influences. --matt _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev maillist - MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00127" HREF="msg00127.html">[MUD-Dev] Virtual v Artificial Worlds</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Greg Munt" <greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00109" HREF="msg00109.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Greg Munt" <greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00114.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] AW: [MUD-Dev] Censorship</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00116.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Censorship</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00136.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00127.html">[MUD-Dev] Virtual v Artificial Worlds</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00115"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00115"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00117" HREF="msg00117.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Sat 01 May 1999, 20:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00124" HREF="msg00124.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Mon 03 May 1999, 16:28 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00129" HREF="msg00129.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Mon 03 May 1999, 16:33 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00136" HREF="msg00136.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</A></strong>, Benjamin D. Wiechel <a href="mailto:strycher#toast,net">strycher#toast,net</a>, Tue 04 May 1999, 05:55 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00115" HREF="msg00115.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Censorship, Virtual v Artificial Worlds, Python</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Sat 01 May 1999, 19:58 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00127" HREF="msg00127.html">[MUD-Dev] Virtual v Artificial Worlds</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Mon 03 May 1999, 16:31 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00144" HREF="msg00144.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Virtual v Artificial Worlds</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:diablo#best,com">diablo#best,com</a>, Tue 04 May 1999, 05:51 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00119" HREF="msg00119.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Python</A></strong>, B. Scott Boding <a href="mailto:sboding#fcicom,com">sboding#fcicom,com</a>, Sat 01 May 1999, 21:23 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00110" HREF="msg00110.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Censorship</A></strong>, Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt <a href="mailto:hhs#cbs,dtu.dk">hhs#cbs,dtu.dk</a>, Fri 30 Apr 1999, 07:11 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>