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<LI><em>From</em>: Marc Bowden <<A HREF="mailto:ryumo#merit,edu">ryumo#merit,edu</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:02:23 -0400</LI>
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On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:57:55 -0700 claw#kanga,nu wrote:
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>Precisely. Mostly I suspect that this is a product of growth and
>learning curves in players, and the complex interaction of system
>systems (ie the component goal lines). Once a player has observed
>and accomplished a number of goals, they have learned enough about
>and are comfortable enough with the game that they are both
>confident of and capable of defining their own goals with a
>reasonable chance of having that goal be achievable and enjoyable
>withing the game and world definition.
>
>Give a man a chess board and a pile of pieces and tell him to invent
>a game (which is essentially all a goal is, a principle component of
>a game), and he'll likely do nothing of note. Teach him chess and
>checkers and half a dozen other bboard games, let him play for a
>good while and then throw the pieces at him and he has a far better
>chance of coming up with something that is at least not boring.
>He's no longer a stranger in a strange land, he has some familiarity
>and knowledge of system that he can base things on.
>
Also a reasonably good arguement for only taking on creators or
cast members who have some decent experience as players. Creators
who don't have that experience - or even worse, Administrators -
tend to come up with unplayable areas or games because they don't
know what makes up a reasonable set of goals, or the expectations
of the guests. They're technically brilliant - all shiny and neat
and can be hauled out and bragged about - but they're not playable.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00639" HREF="msg00639.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Gender and Mud Development (back on topic, some)</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 09 Jun 1999, 21:13 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00644" HREF="msg00644.html">[MUD-Dev] Tactical Combat and Traps (was the gender thread)</A></strong>,
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Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 10 Jun 1999, 03:44 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00673" HREF="msg00673.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Gender and Mud Development (back on topic, some)</A></strong>,
claw <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 10 Jun 1999, 04:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00688" HREF="msg00688.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Gender and Mud Development (back on topic, some)</A></strong>,
Marc Bowden <a href="mailto:ryumo#merit,edu">ryumo#merit,edu</a>, Thu 10 Jun 1999, 12:03 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00678" HREF="msg00678.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Goals and directions (was the gender thing)</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 10 Jun 1999, 05:54 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00632" HREF="msg00632.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Games within Games [Was: Gender and Mud Development]</A></strong>,
Kristen Koster <a href="mailto:koster#eden,com">koster#eden,com</a>, Wed 09 Jun 1999, 18:06 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00649" HREF="msg00649.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Games within Games [Was: Gender and Mud Development]</A></strong>,
Greg Miller <a href="mailto:gmiller#classic-games,com">gmiller#classic-games,com</a>, Wed 09 Jun 1999, 23:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00744" HREF="msg00744.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Games within Games [Was: Gender and Mud Development]</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 11 Jun 1999, 05:52 GMT
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