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<LI><em>From</em>: Caliban Tiresias Darklock <<A HREF="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:51:29 -0700</LI>
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On 06:38 PM 6/17/99 +0200, I personally witnessed Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
jumping up to say:
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>To all the the answers taking a turn into the computability area of
>languages, .. c'mon guys :-) you know this is not what he's looking for!
To an extent, it is. However, what I'm really looking for is that one
specific list. :)
I'm doing something reasonably insane. (Shhh. Don't tell anyone.) The
language I am designing has several design criteria:
It must be small.
It must be crippled.
It must be impractical.
It must be inefficient.
However, it must still work.
You know... a military language. It gets the job done, but it's neither
pleasant nor efficient. Just effective.
Yeah, I know, don't design inefficiency in -- it will happen in the
implementation. But I'm talking about BIG inefficiency. To give you an
example, here's a small portion of what I'm improving on:
There are two user-definable variables. %1 or %8 will prompt you for a
value. These are the same variable, but there is a subtle difference
between them which makes no real sense and which I won't go into at this
time. %6 must be set programmatically using the code '%#value'. You will
not be prompted for a value. Likewise, %1/%8 cannot be set
programmatically. When you want to access the value in %6, you use %6. When
you want to access the value in %1/%8, you use %4. You can also use %5,
which will increment the value in %1/%8 and then proceed to return the
newly incremented value. Otherwise %5 is just like %4 or %6. When you want
to examine the value in %6 for comparison, you use '%#<value', '%#>value',
or '%#=value'. You can also use '%#+value' or '%#-value' to add to or
subtract from %6. You cannot subtract from or make comparisons to %1/%4/%8.
You can, however, add any arbitrary value to it by using %5 in a loop.
Unfortunately, in order to do so, you will need a loop counter, which
requires the use of %6, in which case you would obviously be better off
just using %6 to begin with -- which you would do with '%8;%#%4;%#+whatever'.
Well, the best I can say for this language is that given large enough
effort and small enough goals, it does the job. I'd like the goals to grow
a bit. It would be nice if the effort decreased a little, but it's not
really *necessary*. I *like* this skill to be a little difficult. ;)
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<LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00828" HREF="msg00828.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#frost,slimy.com">jleonard#frost,slimy.com</a>, Thu 17 Jun 1999, 15:38 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00835" HREF="msg00835.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
Mark Gritter <a href="mailto:mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU">mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU</a>, Thu 17 Jun 1999, 15:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00836" HREF="msg00836.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
Travis S. Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Thu 17 Jun 1999, 16:24 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00839" HREF="msg00839.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt <a href="mailto:hhs#cbs,dtu.dk">hhs#cbs,dtu.dk</a>, Thu 17 Jun 1999, 21:48 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00845" HREF="msg00845.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 17 Jun 1999, 23:56 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00846" HREF="msg00846.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00856" HREF="msg00856.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00833" HREF="msg00833.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
David95037 <a href="mailto:David95037#aol,com">David95037#aol,com</a>, Thu 17 Jun 1999, 15:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00830" HREF="msg00830.html">[MUD-Dev] Properties of computer languages</A></strong>,
Cynbe ru Taren <a href="mailto:cynbe#muq,org">cynbe#muq,org</a>, Thu 17 Jun 1999, 15:39 GMT
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