<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ?? --> <!--X-From-R13: X Q Znjerapr <pynjNhaqre.rate.ftv.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 22:28:12 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199804012149.NAA80432#under,engr.sgi.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 9803260423.8w7e@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00004.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00006.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00003.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00006.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00005">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00005">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00005">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ?? </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:49:13 -0800</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:55:50 PST8PDT Chris Gray<cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA> wrote: > In the area we started out discussing, that of attempting to run > world-changing threads on the clients, that isn't good enough. You > need to make the entire transaction that the code does atomic. There > was an example about this a few months ago, involving two agents > trying to go through a door. I don't remember the details, but one > agent could block the second, but that second agent had two steps to > its progress. The key is that the first step must not be allowed to > update the DB unless the second step also completes, but the second > step cannot complete if the first agent blocks the door. Simple > transactions from the client to the server cannot handle this - the > entire sequence of steps in running the action must be tentatively > done, then committed or not, depending on things that may have > happened in the mean time. I'm not explaining this well... This is the "Dragon's Dinner" scenario posited by Demos which I just posted. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------(*) Internet: claw#under,engr.sgi.com ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00004.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] (fwd) Re: Roleplaying</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00006.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00003.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00006.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00005"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00005"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Persistant storage.... My current idea.</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00271" HREF="msg00271.html">[MUD-Dev] Persistant storage.... My current idea.</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 22 Apr 1998, 23:26 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00004" HREF="msg00004.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] (fwd) Re: Roleplaying</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 01 Apr 1998, 22:26 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00002" HREF="msg00002.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 01 Apr 1998, 19:41 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00003" HREF="msg00003.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 01 Apr 1998, 20:48 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00005" HREF="msg00005.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 01 Apr 1998, 22:28 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00006" HREF="msg00006.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] World Persistence, flat files v/s DB v/s ??</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 01 Apr 1998, 22:30 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00001" HREF="msg00001.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Broken mail headers</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Wed 01 Apr 1998, 15:49 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00000" HREF="msg00000.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Clients</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Thu 12 Feb 1998, 02:19 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>