<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability --> <!--X-From-R13: X Q Znjerapr <pynjNhaqre.rate.ftv.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:01:21 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199804142259.PAA164116#under,engr.sgi.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.91.980414225634.2021F-100000@uni-corn.demon.co.uk --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00160.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00162.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00160.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00168.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00161">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00161">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00161">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:59:57 -0700</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:09:20 PST8PDT Greg Munt<greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Writing as list owner: >> >> <URL:<A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/~petidomo/lists/mud-dev/">http://www.kanga.nu/~petidomo/lists/mud-dev/</A>> >> >> As always, please don't publcise the URL or mail kanga.nu yet. >> We're not live yet. RSN, but not yet. >> >> How readable are the pages on *your* system with *your* browser? >> Are they too dark? Do they make reading difficult? The reason for >> the question is that different sytems with different colour depths, >> video cards and monitor settings can display very different images >> of the same page. > Can read it fine. However: > Pages are too long. (Can go into more detail if required.) Yup, the indexes are long. This is deliberate. Go much shorter and the rate of thread breakage across index boundaries started climbed quickly. Somewhere in the 90-day range (1,5000ish messages) per index seemed about right, which mapped out to quarterly for the automation sides of life. In my own (frequent) use of other list's web indexes I find their ultra-short (often <100 messages per index, or monthly) annoying -- I specifically wanted a broad overview presentation for the indexes. The homepage for the list is also long and may get longerd. This is due to its FAQ/intro nature. which I'd rather not get broken across multiple pages (if it were it wouldn't get read -- as it is it may not get read, but the chances are higher). I am unconvinced of the value of a frames approach to that material (similar reasoning, especially on smaller displays). Both sets of pages are also not frequent reload items. The data doesn't change frequently, and once you have it locally you (should be) operating from cache. Yes, some browsers on some machines may take noticable time to render the pages. <shrug> > The navigation bar on the left is VERY thin on my display. There is no navigation bar on the left. There is a navigation bar on the right however, which I'll assume you are referencing. This is a function of browser display width and the way tables are handled. Its not cute, and it could possibly be addressed with style sheets were I willing to cut off the large the non-CSSS-capable browsing public. There isn't a whole lot I can do there, and there are extremely good reasons to place such navigation tables on the right vs the left (<URL:<A HREF="http://WDVL.com/Authoring/Design/Sensory.html">http://WDVL.com/Authoring/Design/Sensory.html</A>>). The spacing of the masthead graphic and title also function as deliberate (if indirect) encouragements to resize the browser window to a wider width. That said, even with the navigation table scrunched to one word per line I feel it still works effectively, if marginally less legibly. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------(*) Internet: claw#under,engr.sgi.com ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00178" HREF="msg00178.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Holly Sommer <hsommer#micro,ti.com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00168" HREF="msg00168.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00160" HREF="msg00160.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Greg Munt <greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00160.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00162.html">[MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00160.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00168.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00161"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00161"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00157" HREF="msg00157.html">META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Tue 14 Apr 1998, 18:27 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00158" HREF="msg00158.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Tue 14 Apr 1998, 18:52 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00159" HREF="msg00159.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, Cimri <a href="mailto:nospam#gte,net">nospam#gte,net</a>, Tue 14 Apr 1998, 19:22 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00160" HREF="msg00160.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Tue 14 Apr 1998, 22:00 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00161" HREF="msg00161.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Tue 14 Apr 1998, 23:01 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00168" HREF="msg00168.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 15 Apr 1998, 01:35 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00178" HREF="msg00178.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Wed 15 Apr 1998, 15:30 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00177" HREF="msg00177.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 15 Apr 1998, 12:45 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00164" HREF="msg00164.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Web site backgrounds and readability</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Wed 15 Apr 1998, 00:23 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>