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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] WWW/INN/news systems (Was: Re: mud websites)</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Petri Virkkula <<A HREF="mailto:pvirkkul#cc,hut.fi">pvirkkul#cc,hut.fi</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:58:04 +0300</LI>
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>>>>> "JCLawrence" == J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com> writes:
JCLawrence> Password authentication for NNTP servers is not common,
JCLawrence> but it exists and is fairly widely used. IIRC its an
JCLawrence> optional module with INN.
The generic password authentication is standard with INN's
NNRP. NNRP uses a configuratio file called nnrp.access that
has following fields:
hosts:perms:username:password:patterns
an example line:
*:Read Post:argon:XXXXXXXXXXX:batmud.*,!batmud.guilds.*,batmud.guilds.mage
The password is not crypt()'ed, thoigh it was straightforward
to add support for that. As others have already written
Netscape and GNUS/Emacs support the generic password
authentication (I have already tested that). The nnrp.access
file can be easily generated automatically (for example once a
day) for example inside the mud.
BatMUD has had its internal news system for a long time with
over 36 newsgroups. The news system supports also external
news readers (only GNUS is verified to work because that's what
archwizards use), though posting privilege has been granted
only to archwizards and to few wizards (based on IDENT
information). Players would like to read and send news, and
that's why I am adding better support. The internal news
system does not support well multiple news servers.
The system will be something like in following picture:
Netscape/GNUS/rn/etc.
|
| NNTP protocol between user and lepakko
|
v
+--------+---------+
| INN in lepakko |
+--------+---------+
|
| NNTP protocol between lepakko and mud
|
|
Outside world
----------------------------------------------------------------
MUD |
|
v
+--------+---------+
| mud's NNTP | GDBM database for message-id
| server +-------------------------------
| | to article mapping
+--------+---------+
|
| fetch_article_bynumber, store_article
| list_newsgroups, etc.
v
+--------+---------+
| mud's internal | load articles from the disk based
| news +----------------------------------
| | on its newsgroup and number
+--------+---------+
^
|
|
|
old news interface
inside the mud
[our two machines have names lepakko.bat.org and bat.org
(aka. batmud.bat.org)]
Our old NNTP server does not support message ids, that's why I
am adding DBM-like interface to GDBM functions that can be
used by a new NNTP server (it is generic interface supporting
data serialization and will probably be used for other
purposes too). No direct client access will be allowed to that
NNTP server in the future. All future access will go through
the external INN server.
We are fortunate to have two machines. The newer is only
running the mud, and the older is used as WWW and FTP
server. Wizards have also almost full (chroot'ed) shell access
to the older machine too (they have many editors to choose
from, like GNU Emacs, vi and pico). As it has spare CPU cycles
available I decided that trying to distribute news system load
to the older machine might be a good idea.
Atleast we are using WWW and other external servers to support
the main thing, ie. the mud. Our WWW-server is not so fancy,
it is only give some support info (though failing in that
badly, one of our players has setup better WWW-pages and we
provide link to there). Basically the idea is to remove as
many services from the mud as possible and put them to the old
machine. For example, our WWW server was originally written in
LPC, but now we are using Apache in the old machine. Others
seem to do opposite and integrating more services to a mud.
Petri
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00966" HREF="msg00966.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 17:23 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00959" HREF="msg00959.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>,
Scatter <a href="mailto:scatter#thevortex,com">scatter#thevortex,com</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 11:16 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00960" HREF="msg00960.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>,
Oliver Jowett <a href="mailto:oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz">oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 13:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01161" HREF="msg01161.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 22 Jun 1998, 22:16 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01175" HREF="msg01175.html">[MUD-Dev] WWW/INN/news systems (Was: Re: mud websites)</A></strong>,
Petri Virkkula <a href="mailto:pvirkkul#cc,hut.fi">pvirkkul#cc,hut.fi</a>, Tue 23 Jun 1998, 06:58 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00992" HREF="msg00992.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 12 Jun 1998, 14:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01166" HREF="msg01166.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 22 Jun 1998, 23:07 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01104" HREF="msg01104.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Travis S. Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Wed 17 Jun 1998, 12:53 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01176" HREF="msg01176.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Tue 23 Jun 1998, 14:20 GMT
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