<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic) --> <!--X-From-R13: f001tzhNabin.jevtug.rqh --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 1998 07:19:08 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.PMDF.3.95.980427100142.545267381A-100000#nova,wright.edu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.95.980427112254.31746A-100000#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00770.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00772.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00770.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00247.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00771">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00771">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00771">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:18:03 -0400 (EDT)</LI> <LI><em>Delivery-date</em>: Fri Apr 27 07:19:08 1998</LI> <LI><em>Delivery-date</em>: Fri, 27 Apr 1998 07:19:08 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Envelope-to</em>: claw#kanga,nu</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: "Petidomo List Agent,,,," <<A HREF="mailto:petidomo#kanga,nu">petidomo#kanga,nu</A>></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Joel Dillon wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Justin McKinnerney wrote: > > > > > > > Well, at work we handle persistence in applets by passing them their > > > identity (the name of their user or whatever) via an applet parameter and > > > sucking data from a server over a socket or jdbc connection. That's good > > > enough for our virtual conferencing system and presumably it'd be good > > > enough for a mud client as well. > > > > > > Jo > > > > The issue was download time for graphics in the java client if it were > > applet based - so the persistance required here is local storage of applet > > data so a user doesn't have to download it every time. > > Ah *bopme* Perhaps one way (not a very nice way) would be to encode the > data as constants in the class files. That way the browser would cache > them for you; but you wouldn't want to do that for large amounts of data. > run into problems with older browsers. Encoding the data like that would also make changing the way something looked quite difficult, unless you limited it to a set of primitives that were encoded. Granted, you may not want that amount of flexibility within your system. UO, if I understand correctly, has a graphics set that they are not planning on changing much, if at all. 'zat right, Raph? I recall reading that somewhere... I think it was the Origin web page... ;) btw, wouldn't those class files be re-downloaded every time anyway? *doesn't know a heck of a lot about the intricacies of java and web browsers* It all depends on what you want to do. Some people are perfectly willing to use hardcoded games, that have to be recompiled to add a new feature, some are willing to write byte code. As for an answer to the original question, well, I haven't really investigated the options for a client program yet. Java applets under netscape are a possibility, but what my design team and I have discussed so far leads me to believe we would run into the very same problem. :) I was leaning towards a standalone java application, but the previous discussion about Crossfire has caused me to re-think that. I haven't abandonded it yet, but it has caused me to think about it some more. -Greg -- MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00247" HREF="msg00247.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00770" HREF="msg00770.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Joel Dillon <emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00770.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00772.html">[MUD-Dev] Group mechanics/Leadership [was: Room descriptions]</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00770.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00247.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00771"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00771"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] RE: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00765" HREF="msg00765.html">[MUD-Dev] RE: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, Justin McKinnerney <a href="mailto:xymox#toon,org">xymox#toon,org</a>, Mon 27 Apr 1998, 06:35 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00768" HREF="msg00768.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, Joel Dillon <a href="mailto:emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk">emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk</a>, Mon 27 Apr 1998, 09:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00769" HREF="msg00769.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, Justin McKinnerney <a href="mailto:xymox#toon,org">xymox#toon,org</a>, Mon 27 Apr 1998, 09:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00770" HREF="msg00770.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, Joel Dillon <a href="mailto:emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk">emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk</a>, Mon 27 Apr 1998, 10:25 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00771" HREF="msg00771.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Mon 27 Apr 1998, 14:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00247" HREF="msg00247.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 00:09 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 00:05 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00785" HREF="msg00785.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Tue 28 Apr 1998, 02:33 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00245" HREF="msg00245.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 00:04 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>