<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system --> <!--X-From-R13: ##[nxr @lynaqre <gurarjgNhfr.hfvg.arg> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:31:49 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199806241331.JAA03590#use,usit.net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:thenewt#use,usit.net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01190.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01192.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01094.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01192.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01191">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01191">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01191">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: ##Make Nylander <<A HREF="mailto:thenewt#use,usit.net">thenewt#use,usit.net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:31:10 -0400 (EDT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> [Original message sent by s001gmu#nova,wright.edu] | | There are 2 kinds of objects (to generalize). | 1) Objects whose properties are compiled in. (A rock is a rock is a rock) | 2) Objects who can change their properties at run time. (a rock can become | an intelligent rock on the fly) | | 1 maps nicely to a RDB because each of the objects compiled in simply gets | its own table, with one column for each property. 2 does not map well | because the setup listed for 1 (one table per object, one column per | property) will just not work as the properties themselves change and | changing a table's layout in SQL is ... expensive ... to say the least. I'd say this is not inherent to a query language or RDB model per se, but rather to the implementation of a particular database engine. | Unless I misunderstand, a RDB uses reflectivity, just not as easily | mutable reflectivity. You can't just add a new variable on the fly... you | would have to create a new table, identical to the last + one new column, | and then transfer all the old data over, adding in the new variable | somehow. You can do this quite easily in, for instance, MS DAO/Jet (Access) -- TableDefs("TableName").Fields.Append "FieldName". DAO has pretty nifty scheme of organizing databases to collections of objects (a Database is a collection of TableDefs, each of which is a collection of Fields. A collection is, essentially, a linked list of objects). You can create and drop tables, fields and indexes run-time very easily. Access is not very efficient in physical storage management, but again, this is due to implementation (Access is a "flat file" database), not design. MNy -- I never regret my failures, but I regret every missed opportunity. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01190.html">[MUD-Dev] mud-related event: Dr. K...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01192.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01094.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01192.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01191"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01191"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01047" HREF="msg01047.html">[MUD-Dev] OT: Announcement</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Mon 15 Jun 1998, 16:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01048" HREF="msg01048.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: OT: Announcement</A></strong>, Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Mon 15 Jun 1998, 18:17 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01019" HREF="msg01019.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></strong>, John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Sun 14 Jun 1998, 04:53 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="01094" HREF="msg01094.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></strong>, John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Wed 17 Jun 1998, 02:49 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01191" HREF="msg01191.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></strong>, ##Make Nylander <a href="mailto:thenewt#use,usit.net">thenewt#use,usit.net</a>, Wed 24 Jun 1998, 13:31 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01192" HREF="msg01192.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Databases: was Re: skill system</A></strong>, jacob langthorn <a href="mailto:jlangthorn#towertechinc,com">jlangthorn#towertechinc,com</a>, Wed 24 Jun 1998, 14:21 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01014" HREF="msg01014.html">[MUD-Dev] META: The web is a live again!</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Sat 13 Jun 1998, 02:36 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01006" HREF="msg01006.html">[MUD-Dev] Away on a trip</A></strong>, Bryce <a href="mailto:S006JBH#nova,wright.edu">S006JBH#nova,wright.edu</a>, Fri 12 Jun 1998, 20:56 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="01011" HREF="msg01011.html">[MUD-Dev] Away on a trip</A></strong>, Bryce <a href="mailto:S006JBH#nova,wright.edu">S006JBH#nova,wright.edu</a>, Fri 12 Jun 1998, 23:47 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>