<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] darkness/visibility --> <!--X-From-R13: Ayvire Xbjrgg <byvireNwbjrgg.znanjngh.cynarg.pb.am> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:03:16 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.3.96.980611145032.486B-100000#andridys,ip.local --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] darkness/visibility</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00956.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00958.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01197.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01013.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00957">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00957">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00957">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] darkness/visibility</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] darkness/visibility</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Oliver Jowett <<A HREF="mailto:oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz">oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:02:02 +1200 (NZST)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Any suggestions on handling darkness and visibility well? The classic either-you-see-it-or-you-don't system doesn't work too well.. > l You are in a large well-lit room. There is a switch on the wall. > flip switch You flip the switch. The lights go off. > l It is very dark! You might be eaten by a grue. > flip switch You don't see anything like that here. I experimented with a system of tactile descriptions and keywords, which works reasonably well for carried objects but not so well for any objects that the character doesn't have direct access to. The problem, I think, is one of character memory: if you just turned off the light switch, you should know it's there to turn on again (at least for a while), barring sadistic puzzles involving moving switches.. Conversely, if you just walked into the room, you know nothing about a light switch (although searching for one by feel is feasible). I don't have a good solution for this. Suggestions? -O </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01160" HREF="msg01160.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01013" HREF="msg01013.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Adam Wiggins <adam#angel,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00956.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00958.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: The lessons of Habitat's Dr Death repeated?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01197.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01013.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00957"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00957"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01036" HREF="msg01036.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Sun 14 Jun 1998, 21:35 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01057" HREF="msg01057.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong>, Katrina McClelan <a href="mailto:kitkat#the486,bradley.edu">kitkat#the486,bradley.edu</a>, Mon 15 Jun 1998, 23:34 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01186" HREF="msg01186.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Wed 24 Jun 1998, 03:47 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01197" HREF="msg01197.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 25 Jun 1998, 03:14 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00957" HREF="msg00957.html">[MUD-Dev] darkness/visibility</A></strong>, Oliver Jowett <a href="mailto:oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz">oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 03:03 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01013" HREF="msg01013.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Sat 13 Jun 1998, 00:50 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01016" HREF="msg01016.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong>, oliver <a href="mailto:oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz">oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz</a>, Sat 13 Jun 1998, 05:02 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01025" HREF="msg01025.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#nospam,dial.pipex.com">KaVir#nospam,dial.pipex.com</a>, Sun 14 Jun 1998, 10:41 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01042" HREF="msg01042.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: darkness/visibility</A></strong>, T. Alexander Popiel <a href="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com">popiel#snugharbor,com</a>, Mon 15 Jun 1998, 01:55 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>