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<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI>
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On 10 Apr 98 at 11:51, Chris Gray wrote:
> [Alex O:]
>
> [Fibre description snipped]
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> :I don't any advantage in using fibers instead of threads in a MUD server.
>
> I'll second that. Fibres within a thread cannot take advantage of extra
> CPU's, so give you no speed increase on multi-CPU machines. If a fibre
> does a system call, the entire thread is busy until that call returns.
> So, unless you have some flow-control problem that is best solved by
> having the multiple contexts of multiple fibres, and you need to switch
> those contexts so often that threads are too expensive, there is little
> gain to using fibres.
>
After coming up to speed on the matter, I'll third it. ;)
Some theoretical caveats though. In applications where multi-tasking
has already designed into the software through soft-control, fibers
may well be have an advantage over the expense of using threads.
Some soft-control thread implementations perform better than
hard-control or OS thread-switching.
The decision whether to use them are similar to deciding
whether to have the OS do memory management or cacheing for you.
Once again the application may well know better than the OS on how to
schedule it's tasks. Still your are limited to the priorities
established by the running process or controlling thread.
I don't see my server benifitting from fibers in any
"measurable" way, since my implementation of threads is primarily in
points of control where asychronous execution has performance
benefits (I/O). However they might provide a slight performance
boost in the simulated concurrency of multiple executing VMs which
currently are thread-based although they are really time-sliced (or
tick-based) not premptive. Fibers might be superior to threads in
time-sliced applications which have no synchronous waits. Then
again, this would not be true should I ever get run it on a machine
capable of multi-processor threading.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00083" HREF="msg00083.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] [Fwd: MUD-Dev]</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 09 Apr 1998, 02:24 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00040" HREF="msg00040.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Development Digest</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 06 Apr 1998, 17:09 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00125" HREF="msg00125.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Development Digest</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,umop-ap.com">jleonard#divcom,umop-ap.com</a>, Fri 10 Apr 1998, 19:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00337" HREF="msg00337.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Development Digest</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 22 Apr 1998, 22:24 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00387" HREF="msg00387.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Development Digest</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 23 Apr 1998, 14:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00498" HREF="msg00498.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Development Digest</A></strong>,
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Fri 24 Apr 1998, 04:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00515" HREF="msg00515.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Development Digest</A></strong>,
Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Fri 24 Apr 1998, 04:44 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00533" HREF="msg00533.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Development Digest</A></strong>,
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