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<LI><em>From</em>: "Jay Sax" <<A HREF="mailto:cimri1#gte,net">cimri1#gte,net</A>></LI>
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Re: PK's plus my "Mobless Mud" concept
John Bertoglio wrote:
>
> Method 1: Create IC PK restrictions which make the PKer decide to
> RP monsters.
> Method 2: When a character racks up a certain number of kills
> morph them into a junior monster.
<etc>
>
> John Bertoglio
>
> --
Ha! thanks john, I love this one about junior monsters and so forth.
It inspires me to share one of my ideas which I hope I, or some of
the other fruitful-brainers among us can develop further at some
point.
I call this one "the mobless mud" (aka "the monsterless mud").
Motivation:
why even worry about repops, monster-generators,
dungeons that have good motivations, cities that 'work' economically
and logically (proper amount of land under tillage, good water
supply, mining nearby, workers in the trades, etc)? Why not just
set up all the systems properly and let all this stuff develop?
Implementation, broad stroke:
Inhabit your world with
- animals of various sorts (few in number at first)
- a few people
- resources (minerals, water, herbs, grains, whatever)
- terrain features (rivers, mountains, valleys, whatever)
- climate
Painstakingly define rules for all the above to make them
more or less self-sustaining in a simulation sort of way, to wit:
- herd growth, predation, animal husbandry, and so forth
- plant growth, spread, disease, whatever
- climatological change, growth, decay, storm formation,
all that sort of thing (and seasons too I guess)
Again with rules, this time for combining, breaking apart,
building, etc:
- surveying, mining, smelting, etc.
- blacksmithing, coppersmithing, fletching, whatever
(and not just for weapons and armor of course)
- woodcutting, carving, lamination, warping, and all that
- plant, plow, harvest, etc.
- construction and destruction (walls, buildings, carts, etc)
Define rules for voluntary associations (guilds, factions,
clubs, whatever)
- social status and standing, reputation, etc
- fun social activities like creating/quashing rumors,
status decay/enhancement, smears, you name it.
- hired/hireling relationships
Define rules for activities that can create 'monsters' --
e.g. unholy magics that summon warped demonic presences, or
pseudo-scientific processes designed to do the medieval
equivalent of gene-tailoring to create new species.
Hoped for result:
You want a dungeon? you build one.
You want a castle, you get the money (or influence over a
large enough group, or both), you get the materials,
you build it, you staff it, you protect it.
You want the mighty stone of irresistable magic force? great,
so once you've got it, you create a fortress or dungeon to protect
it, fully staffed with defenders and laden with traps and the like.
And you make sure there's food and water and proper pay for all
these. Or maybe you try to create slave-beings using those
unholy magics. Hey! cheap work.
Conclusion:
I'd like to see this implemented. Or something similar. It seems
to me if one simply steps back far enough by creating all the
systems to support creation, combination, fabrication,
experimentation, discovery and all those neat things so many of
us love to do, then let the world be defined by those systems.
I'd LOVE to play in a world like that. I think! Or at least to
have the chance. And I've given a lot of thought to the social
aspect and think that it could go a LONG way to making things fun
(with institutions, status, reputation, influence, etc).
- --
>--------------------------------------------------------------------+
Jay Sax <arnet is moving, back soon!>
Partner, Alternate Reality Net cimri#technologist,com
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Jay Sax cimri#technologist,com
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<LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Some thoughts on languages and users - was: Ma</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00426" HREF="msg00426.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Some thoughts on languages and users - was: Ma</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00233" HREF="msg00233.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) MOB or player? Re: Global Communications on Muds</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00224" HREF="msg00224.html">[MUD-Dev] META: Mail archives and MIME attachments</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00221" HREF="msg00221.html">[MUD-Dev] re: PK and my "Mobless MUD" idea</A></strong>,
Jay Sax <a href="mailto:cimri1#gte,net">cimri1#gte,net</a>, Wed 29 Apr 1998, 00:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00222" HREF="msg00222.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PK and my "Mobless MUD" idea</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Wed 29 Apr 1998, 01:16 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00234" HREF="msg00234.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PK and my "Mobless MUD" idea</A></strong>,
Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lboro.ac.uk</a>, Wed 29 Apr 1998, 12:43 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00301" HREF="msg00301.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PK and my "Mobless MUD" idea</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Fri 01 May 1998, 18:58 GMT
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