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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs </LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:09:11 -0700</LI>
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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:25:42 -0500
Koster, Raph<rkoster#origin,ea.com> wrote:
> Hmm. I think we need to clarify the definition of "level." Does it
> mean providing a metric at all? Or does it mean providing a ladder
> which not only measures your progress but AFFECTS it by opening up
> new capabilities?
In SHADES level did not affect abilities. All characters had the same
abilities. It merely affected the probability of success for any
attempt at exercising a given ability.
I don't recall (and did not play enough) MUD1 and MIST to recall how
they mapped the area. Care to comment Bartle?
> If the former, then our definition is certainly broader than the
> classic one. If the latter, then UO doesn't really have levels, as
> you can manage to make it to the highest points of fame and karma,
> and have a sucky character who has not gained any additional
> capabilities. More analogous to the traditional levels in UO are the
> thresholds in individual skills (most especially crafting skills)
> where you obtain the capability to make more difficult items. UO
> fuzzes these and actually lets you try something very difficult even
> at 1% skill, though, so even that is a bad example.
<nod> cf Shades above.
> The traditional level is more a goal and a reward than a measure of
> achievement. You play to reach the next milestone, and reaching it
> grants additional powers. This is the case on Legend, which Adam
> referenced below. In UO, that next milestone usually means diddly
> (unless you count getting "Lord" in front of your name as
> meaningful).
In Shades the level milestones signified significant changes to the
probabilities of success for various actions. A newbie might have his
summons work 2% of the time. Five levels later he might be up to a
20% success rate (other spells having different progressions (no, I
don't recall the progressions)).
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00906" HREF="msg00906.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>,
John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Tue 09 Jun 1998, 03:32 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00916" HREF="msg00916.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 09 Jun 1998, 18:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01030" HREF="msg01030.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 14 Jun 1998, 12:25 GMT
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Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 09 Jun 1998, 14:29 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01087" HREF="msg01087.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Tue 16 Jun 1998, 23:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01052" HREF="msg01052.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>,
Benjamin D. Wiechel <a href="mailto:strycher#toast,net">strycher#toast,net</a>, Mon 15 Jun 1998, 20:17 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01055" HREF="msg01055.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>,
jacob langthorn <a href="mailto:jlangthorn#towertechinc,com">jlangthorn#towertechinc,com</a>, Mon 15 Jun 1998, 22:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01071" HREF="msg01071.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>,
Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Tue 16 Jun 1998, 15:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01079" HREF="msg01079.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Levelless MUDs</A></strong>,
Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Tue 16 Jun 1998, 18:38 GMT
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