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<LI><em>To</em>: MUD-Dev <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:45:02 +0000 (GMT)</LI>
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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Travis S. Casey wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Greg Munt wrote:
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> > How important are they? How relevant are they to telnet-only games?
> > (Particularly to stock muds, where all or most of its features are known by
> > almost all of its players.)
>
> Never assume that. Almost everyone I know who muds started on a stock or
> semi-stock mud (since they're so dang common), and, of course, they didn't
> know much about the mud to start with.
I think what Greg means is more 'muds that begin and end stock' - where
they grab stock code, put it online, put up a webpage, and purport to have
'massively modified' code (changing those entry screens is /hard/ work,
remember). A lot of games start out stock and then evolve, at least enough
to be vaguely interesting, too.
> I've found that muds are like a lot of computer systems -- users beliefs
> about them are a mishmash of truth, things remembered from similar systems
> that aren't quite true on this one, rumors, and superstitions. Players
> usually lear the practial end of the mud fairly well, but they're often
> way off base about how things work on a deeper level, which can cause
> misunderstandings between players and admins.
Interesting way of putting it, I like the notion, and it's pretty true,
too. Rumours certainly circulate amoung the 'lower levels' of a
development team - I've had creators/builders ask me how to operate <x>
feature, when the only discussion of <x> was a recent administrative
decision to add it eventually, and so forth. This doesn't happen too often
- - after a couple of months I decided that everyone should just get a say
in all design issues, and threw it to a mailing list made public to the
staff, with the clear statement that I retain a casting vote.
> > My perspective is that mud websites, as a medium, are wholly under- and
> > mis-used. Most are put up to say 'here we are' and/or 'this is what you can
> > do at myMUD!' - not much more than advertising spiel. The web could be
> > taken advantage of so much, even by telnet-only games. Mostly, to encourage
> > internal socio-political and cultural development (the more RP, the more
> > advantages to using a website that there are). You can have online
> > newsletters, websites for clubs/guilds, maps, histories if the world, lots
> > and lots of things that could not be effectively achieved through telnet.
>
> Well, it's not a mud, but feel free to take a look at the website I'm
> starting for my new PBEM game (it's not open, so please don't ask to
> join... I'll just have to say no):
>
> <A HREF="http://www.io.com/~efindel/tobara/">http://www.io.com/~efindel/tobara/</A>
PBeM games have /a lot/ in similar with muds in many ways, just they have
a lot more direction, and (in my opinion) greatly reduced (not restricted)
interactivity. They also seem to attract the same sorts of people. Any
thoughts on why?
> As the opening page notes, it's not complete yet, but there's background
> material there that may be of interest, and it's an example of how to
> introduce players to a world.
Heh. Introductions are huge fun. I'm currently going through a related
debate (as part of the games 'intro'); whether or not to employ the other
kind of introductions (naming, non-global namespace, and so forth).
It's been hashed over many, many times here, but I'll try to post my ideas
at some point, incase anything new is therein; if it all looks same old
same old, I won't bother. ;)
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"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.." -John Lennon (Imagine)
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00909" HREF="msg00909.html">[MUD-Dev] Mud websites</A></strong>,
Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Tue 09 Jun 1998, 17:30 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00912" HREF="msg00912.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Holly Sommer <a href="mailto:hsommer#micro,ti.com">hsommer#micro,ti.com</a>, Tue 09 Jun 1998, 17:54 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01027" HREF="msg01027.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 14 Jun 1998, 11:44 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00913" HREF="msg00913.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Travis S. Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#io,com">efindel#io,com</a>, Tue 09 Jun 1998, 18:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01028" HREF="msg01028.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 14 Jun 1998, 11:49 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00914" HREF="msg00914.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Robert Woods <a href="mailto:rwoods#nebula,honors.unr.edu">rwoods#nebula,honors.unr.edu</a>, Tue 09 Jun 1998, 18:25 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01029" HREF="msg01029.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 14 Jun 1998, 11:54 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00925" HREF="msg00925.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Wed 10 Jun 1998, 01:33 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01018" HREF="msg01018.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 13 Jun 1998, 14:19 GMT
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