<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic) --> <!--X-From-R13: X Q Znjerapr <pynjNhaqre.rate.ftv.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:04:28 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199804300003.RAA00069#under,engr.sgi.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.95.980427101430.31076A-100000#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00244.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00246.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00785.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00244.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00245">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00245">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00245">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic) </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:03:30 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Delivery-date</em>: Wed Apr 29 17:04:28 1998</LI> <LI><em>Delivery-date</em>: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:04:29 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Envelope-to</em>: claw#kanga,nu</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: "Petidomo List Agent,,,," <<A HREF="mailto:petidomo#kanga,nu">petidomo#kanga,nu</A>></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:16:21 +0100 (BST) Joel Dillon<emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > Well, at work we handle persistence in applets by passing them > their identity (the name of their user or whatever) via an applet > parameter and sucking data from a server over a socket or jdbc > connection. That's good enough for our virtual conferencing system > and presumably it'd be good enough for a mud client as well. As a model this is reliant on small data volumes being required, or a high speed connection. Given CD-class persistant stores (640Meg) already required by some "clients" this seems problemic for a standard dial-up connection. *Not* given the CD, my championed approach has been to have the client gradually build both the depth and the breadth of its world view over time. This would be based on a carefully detailed object heirarchy, with each level of the heirarchy containing its own visual representation. Thus in the beginning the client's user would see the world as a collection of largely amorphous and indistinct objects. As he continued play however, and the client progressed in its persistant store updates, the world-view would gradually resolve, with, say, that large gray blob resolving first to a gray box, then to a wood-grain boox, then to a chair-like object, and finally to an oaken rocker. This effect would be common -- any newly met object or scene would be initially protrayed in the best detail that the client had for that branch of the object heirarchy. Thus a newly met throne may first appear to be a dull grey featureless chair, and then later resolve into a gaudily bedecked throne as the persistant store updates with the object heirarchy for that object to that depth. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------(*) Internet: claw#under,engr.sgi.com ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... -- MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00768" HREF="msg00768.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Joel Dillon <emily#cornholio,new.ox.ac.uk></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00244.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) AD: [custom graphical] whitestar Crossfire MUD</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00246.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00785.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00244.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) AD: [custom graphical] whitestar Crossfire MUD</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00245"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00245"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00771" HREF="msg00771.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Mon 27 Apr 1998, 14:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00247" HREF="msg00247.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 00:09 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 00:05 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00785" HREF="msg00785.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Tue 28 Apr 1998, 02:33 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00245" HREF="msg00245.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Java for Mud Client (Crossfire MUD topic)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 00:04 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00244" HREF="msg00244.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) AD: [custom graphical] whitestar Crossfire MUD</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 29 Apr 1998, 23:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00259" HREF="msg00259.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) AD: [custom graphical] whitestar Crossfire MUD</A></strong>, Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 04:29 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00264" HREF="msg00264.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) AD: [custom graphical] whitestar Crossfire MUD</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 07:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00269" HREF="msg00269.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) AD: [custom graphical] whitestar</A></strong>, Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 17:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>