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[Previously submitted under wr</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01119.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01121.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01118.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01127.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01120">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01120">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01120">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Prescience Rules? [Previously submitted under wrong thread :( ]</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prescience Rules? [Previously submitted under wrong thread :( ] </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Richard Woolcock <<A HREF="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:42:35 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Dan Shiovitz wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Larry Homer wrote: > > Relating to my query of a few days back about the proper regulation of > > IC Telepathy, I now would appreciate hearing about anybody's experience > > with regulating IC Prescience! > [..] > > If we assume that "Prescience" in a given theme means, "Occasionally > > sees visions that WILL occur," as opposed to "Sees visions that will > > PROBABLY occur if things keep going the way they have been going, etc.," > > then you get into all sorts of knotty questions about predestination and > > unavoidable doom versus free will and chaos theory. > > > > So how do you handle it when your theme requires Prescient Characters? > [..] > > Suggestion #1: change the theme. seriously. there is some stuff that > just doesn't work well without OOC negotiation, which > most muds aren't designed around. Telepathy and > Prescience and "Detect Lie" are examples. I cannot disagree more. I have implemented the first and last of the above, and have a number of ideas for implementing the second (read my other email). > Suggestion #2: Occasionally, immortals give visions to prescient > characters. Prescient characters are free to do > whatever they want with these visions, including lie > about them. For other times, they should get good at > making up plausibly vague prophecies. This is one way to do it, although a rather poor way IMO. I prefer code to be as automated as possible rather than rely on imm's to do all the work. KaVir. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01127" HREF="msg01127.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prescience Rules? 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[Previously submitted under wrong thread :( ]</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Thu 18 Jun 1998, 23:31 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01132" HREF="msg01132.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prescience Rules?</A></strong>, Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Fri 19 Jun 1998, 00:33 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01136" HREF="msg01136.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prescience Rules?</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Fri 19 Jun 1998, 04:10 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>