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<LI><em>From</em>: "Dr. Cat" <<A HREF="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</A>></LI>
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Mike Sellers wrote (and then I hand attributed 'cause my mailer doesn't):
> I just skimmed Raph's comments on this. I agree with him wholeheartedly.
> Amy Jo's article basically got eviscerated by the editors at Wired.
That is a shame. Is the text of Amy's original version available
anywhere, or would I have to ask her for it? I know she has some
interesting ideas herself about online environments and user interfaces -
the two times I've spoken with her she had things to say that made me
think, which always makes me think well of a person. She did some
contract design work on Mplayer's user interface, and some other places
as well.
I was a bit surprised to read the bit where it was mentioned that
cannibalism was possible in the game. Well I suppose it's one more thing
that adds to the roleplaying possibilities for the evil characters. :X)
> It might surprise you to know that even UO (much less M59!) is a relatively
> small fish in the overall online gaming world. There are some *huge*
> stakes being played in this arena by people who have never heard of a MUD.
When you're talking about "small fish", are you talking about actual
revenues generated, or are you talking about how much people are
investing in stuff that they hope will be big in the future? I'm a
little fuzzy on numbers from the last year or two, but I know Gemstone
III was the biggest revenue generator out there for years - probably
continued to be right up until AOL made changes that cratered the
revenues for most of their third party game developers. I don't think
that I can think of anything out there that's generating so much revenue
that it makes UO's revenues look small-fish size. From what I've heard,
Bingo Zone is the most profitable online game out there. And it's
revenues don't dwarf UOs - it's costs are an awful lot lower though. :X)
> Once again, I'm somewhat abashed to point out the small, insular, and
> really pretty parochial state of the MUD community (whether hobbyist or
> commercial, text or graphical), no matter what CGW and Wired say. MUDs are
> high commitment, high cost, high risk, highly targeted, massively
> multiplayer games. I'm still convinced that in one form or another they
> represent the next step in how we spin epic tales, and I have a lot of
> hopes for the future of both hobbyist and commercial mudding -- but they
> are far from the center of the Internet gaming universe. =20
I like to think that most of the commerce that takes place in muds or
mudlike environments will be totally non-gaming-oriented. Which would
give them, purrhaps, a central role in a much larger universe. Time will
tell whether I'm right. :X)
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00780" HREF="msg00780.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: OT: Birth announcement</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Mon 27 Apr 1998, 23:13 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00263" HREF="msg00263.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: OT: Birth announcement</A></strong>,
John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 05:43 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00314" HREF="msg00314.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: OT: Birth announcement</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Sat 02 May 1998, 00:42 GMT
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Mike Sellers <a href="mailto:mike#bignetwork,com">mike#bignetwork,com</a>, Sun 03 May 1998, 12:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00347" HREF="msg00347.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wired, UO, and Internet Gaming (was Re: OT:</A></strong>,
Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Sun 03 May 1998, 20:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00447" HREF="msg00447.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Wired, UO, and Internet Gaming (was Re: OT:</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 06 May 1998, 23:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00775" HREF="msg00775.html">[MUD-Dev] (fwd) [DESIGN] Macro semi-language</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 27 Apr 1998, 19:42 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00790" HREF="msg00790.html">[MUD-Dev] Some thoughts on languages and users - was: Macro semi</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00250" HREF="msg00250.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: (fwd) [DESIGN] Macro semi-language</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 30 Apr 1998, 00:24 GMT
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