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<LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI>
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On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:40:46 PST8PDT
Travis S Casey<efindel#io,com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> Travis Casey<efindel#polaris,net> wrote:
>>> Now, what *should* a guild be... that's another question. :-)
>>
>> There is a more fundamental question that I raised the last time
>> this area came up:
>>
>> What problem in the game-universe is the guild an attempted
>> solution for?
>
> Does it have to be a solution to a problem?
Umm, yes. The problem may be IC, OOC, emotive, social, cultural,
physical (RL or virtual) etc, but it must remain a "problem" in that
its something whose solution adds to survival (subjective quality of
life is a survival metric if only on the morale count).
> Or, rather, does it have to be a solution to any problem other than
> the fact that humans like to congregate together, and tend to do so
> with those like them?
Positive re-inforcement and all those other tags apply. Group
behaviour is definitely a survival trait, especially in the classical
friends and allies model.
>> Turning this around:
>>
>> If there were no guilds, but everything else in the game was the
>> same, would the players form "guilds" even without any server or
>> hardcoded support? If so, why? What survival threat in the
>> game-world would the players be attempting to mitigate or prevent
>> via guilds?
> Not everything in the game has to revolve around the players -- if
> the NPCs in your world would logically form themselves into groups,
> then those groups should exist, whether or not the players would
> want to join them.
Quite. For logical consistency of course one would presume that those
NPC structures exist due to survival pressures in the NPC's existances.
>> Once you have the answer to that question you can approach
>> designing your guilds in a way that is both acutally useful in your
>> gameworld and doesn't have logical inconsistencies with the rest of
>> the game world.
> I agree... I'm just pointing out that guilds don't have to be a
> solution to any problem that the players have in order to exist, and
> that they don't necessarily have to "solve a problem" in the sense
> of helping survival -- the "problems" they solve may be purely
> social/emotional in nature.
<nod> We agree explicitly -- I'm just using a broader pen than thee.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00193" HREF="msg00193.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Thu 16 Apr 1998, 12:30 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00187" HREF="msg00187.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00205" HREF="msg00205.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00489" HREF="msg00489.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 22 Apr 1998, 18:20 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00093" HREF="msg00093.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 09 Apr 1998, 17:00 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00163" HREF="msg00163.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 15 Apr 1998, 00:13 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00203" HREF="msg00203.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 16 Apr 1998, 22:50 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00204" HREF="msg00204.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
Alex Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Fri 17 Apr 1998, 04:24 GMT
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