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<LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:58:15 -0700</LI>
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To: rkoster#origin,ea.com
Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Character development [was Re: ]
In-reply-to: <<A HREF="msg00203.html">c=US%a=_%p=EA%l=MOLACH-980416225035Z-52886#molach,origin.ea.com</A>>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:25:04 -0700
From: J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com>
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:58:11 PST8PDT
Koster, Raph<rkoster#origin,ea.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 14, 1998 12:25 PM J C Lawrence
> [SMTP:claw#under,engr.sgi.com] said:
>> On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:15:30 PST8PDT Koster,
>> Raph<rkoster#origin,ea.com> wrote:
>> How successfully? Most (all?) of the magazine articles I've read
>> on OU equate it to a graphical DIKU with roadways lined waist-deep
>> with corpses. You've mentioned here your efforts in pushing a
>> more, err, less DOMM-esque approach by your players. Success?
> Success is moderate. On the one side, I think equating it to a
> graphical DIKU is really really wrong. A simple glance at the
> feature list will demonstrate that--heck, a simple glance at the
> typical player's activities will demonstrate it.
<nod>
Yes, I know this. You know this. Your average Wired or Upside reader
doesn't know this, which is and was the point.
> So, their motives are the same ("kill, kill, kill") but to maintain
> their status and abilities, they still need to deal with a much
> wider array of activities.
How to make that *depth* of involvement a known strength of the game,
and in itself an appealing factor for non-kEWLD00dZ??
> As far as how the magazines perceive it--sure, it's still a crude,
> rude, rambunctious, goal-oriented, profane, Doom-minded community,
> on the whole. Changing a public mindset takes a lot more than game
> mechanics.
<kof> Quite.
>>> Now, level is awfully convenient, and players quickly found
>>> supplements for it, but I find that severing the advancement scale
>>> from character ability works quite well.
>> <nod> Do you have any tales of the form of Habitat's egg or other
>> prized tokens or recognition values that you could relate for UO?
> Ooof. Too many.
Thanks -- this is *EXACTLY* what I wanted. Outside of recent list
traffic problems, there's a tendency on the list (heck, MUDdom) to
short-circuit and ignore game-depth characteristics which don't happen
in the cloistered world of their favourite r.g.m.*-style MUDs. While
I don't have the time now to do so properly (trust me to attempt to
start this when I don't have time to do it right), I'd love to see a
lively list thread on just what these added values are and can be.
Tales such as the ones you recounted are invaluable.
--
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00520" HREF="msg00520.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: FW: (Fwd) Bouncing mail</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00596" HREF="msg00596.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: FW: (Fwd) Bouncing mail</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Fri 15 May 1998, 01:30 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00384" HREF="msg00384.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: FW: (Fwd) Bouncing mail</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00398" HREF="msg00398.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: FW: (Fwd) Bouncing mail</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org">matt#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 05 May 1998, 14:06 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00377" HREF="msg00377.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00379" HREF="msg00379.html">[MUD-Dev] RE: Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 04 May 1998, 19:34 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00385" HREF="msg00385.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Mon 04 May 1998, 23:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00389" HREF="msg00389.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Character development [was Re: ]</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 05 May 1998, 07:38 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00374" HREF="msg00374.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Motivations for Creating Mud-Like Worllds and Servers | Was: Re: whitestar Crossfire MUD</A></strong>,
John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Mon 04 May 1998, 16:37 GMT
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