<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary --> <!--X-From-R13: Xbry Yryfb <wbryNrr.hjn.rqh.nh> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:20:15 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3564E08B.66A1E19E#ee,uwa.edu.au --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 11A17AA2B9EAD111BCEA00A0C9B41793053F78@DHCP-98-2.origin.ea.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:joel#ee,uwa.edu.au"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00760.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00796.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00751.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00800.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00795">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00795">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00795">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Joel Kelso <<A HREF="mailto:joel#ee,uwa.edu.au">joel#ee,uwa.edu.au</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:18:51 +0800</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Koster, Raph wrote: > J C Lawrence [SMTP:claw#under,engr.sgi.com said: > > Translation: You have created a framework which allows system-based > > public record keeping for vigilante justice. You have also officially > > > sanctioned bounty hunters. Interesting. > > Exactly. Then again, you could argue that this is exactly what a police > force is: officially sanctioned hunters of criminals, whose "bounty" is > their salary. The sole difference is that they are officialized under > some governmental label. You _could_ argue this, but I think it's quite a stretch. Police aren't justgovernmental labeled bounty-hunters. Their motivation isn't primarily personal profit, and they don't make money "on commission". They have a responsibility to protect particular community. They don't have a personal choice of which criminals and crimes they hunt down. Bounty hunters don't have any motivation to deter or discourage crime ... mind you, all of this is of course "in an ideal world". Policing probably isn't exiting enough for most players, consisting of a lot of walking around and talking to people. The UO town guards are a good use of NPC, since they do a good but essentially boring job. Bounty hunter is more exiting for players, but you wouldn't want to make it the basis for justice in a real-world society. I suppose that we shouldn't really expect to see mirrors of real societies in virtual ones, since one of the things that makes good escapist fantasy is the valuing of exitement over safety, which is pretty much the opposite to what we choose in real life. Perhaps the PK vs non-PK (or "action MUD" vs "talker") divide is caused by what different participants are seeking in the experience: exitement as an escape from the safety (and boredom) of real life, as opposed to escape from the pressures of real life to the safety and community of the virtual world. Joel Kelso -- joel#ee,uwa.edu.au ----------------------------------------------- "Wasn't it a four-year-old this time ? It makes me feel like standing in the middle of the Atlantic with a megaphone and shouting: 'America! We know you're in there! Put the guns DOWN!'" - Overheard Conversations -- <A HREF="http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~joel">http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~joel</A> --------------------------------- </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00751" HREF="msg00751.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Koster, Raph" <rkoster#origin,ea.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00760.html">[MUD-Dev] Sex in Games -- ya gotta, um, yeah</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00796.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Combat in the Abandoned Realms</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00751.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00800.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00795"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00795"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00748" HREF="msg00748.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></strong>, John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Thu 21 May 1998, 09:56 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00749" HREF="msg00749.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 21 May 1998, 14:23 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00752" HREF="msg00752.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Thu 21 May 1998, 14:58 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00751" HREF="msg00751.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Thu 21 May 1998, 14:40 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00795" HREF="msg00795.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></strong>, Joel Kelso <a href="mailto:joel#ee,uwa.edu.au">joel#ee,uwa.edu.au</a>, Fri 22 May 1998, 02:20 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00800" HREF="msg00800.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: CGDC, a summary</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Sat 23 May 1998, 01:00 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00495" HREF="msg00495.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: How to handle log-outs in a totally dynamic world.</A></strong>, John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Mon 11 May 1998, 05:47 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00513" HREF="msg00513.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: How to handle log-outs in a totally dynamic world.</A></strong>, Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Tue 12 May 1998, 01:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00516" HREF="msg00516.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: How to handle log-outs in a totally dynamic world.</A></strong>, Dan Shiovitz <a href="mailto:dbs#cs,wisc.edu">dbs#cs,wisc.edu</a>, Tue 12 May 1998, 03:09 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>