<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xbua Pregbtyvb" <nyrkoNvagreargpqf.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:21:43 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: E0yjv7e-00013b-00#mail,kanga.nu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00953.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00955.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01151.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00966.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00954">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00954">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00954">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "John Bertoglio" <<A HREF="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:20:52 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> From: J C Lawrence <claw#under,engr.sgi.com> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 4:17 PM >On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:42:03 -0500 >Koster, Raph<rkoster#origin,ea.com> wrote: > >> Legend has a website that has won a few awards. It has a web >> discussion board, archives of the in-game lecture series, FAQs, a >> reference section, character bios, links to guild web pages, and the >> game newsletter. And it just about never gets visited by existing >> players. Does it serve to draw in NEW players? Yeah, probably. But >> for some reason it is not a major contributor to the community. (The >> character web pages are a hit however). > >I have attempted to use a wide variety of web based message boards, >from those at various UOL sites, Utne reader, other magazines, >SlashDot, and on. Several of them I've really wanted to use >extensively for the data they contained. But, I've been rebuffed >every time. I don't find them usable, not even slightly usable. I >can actually use them, with a lot of work and teeth gritting, but the >sheer machination invelved *just* to read a message (What? I have to >click on that little icon for every single message?) is painful >enough, but to actually post with those horrors is torture. I utterly >fail to understand *HOW* they get any traffic. They are almost >mind-numbing to use, to read, to try and follow threads, to post >messages to, etc. > >Yet, quite obviously, people do use them, and do post messages with >them. <boggle> > >Perhaps there's a trick? > There are a few good and many bad web implementations. The nature of the web lends itself to more of a "I post to a subject, you post to a new subject" in linear format. Or "here is my question, what is the answer?". Threaded systems usually are impossible to read once they reach any level of complexity. Some exceptioniosn: www.west-wind.com has an excellent board he uses for tech support. His web/database product includes the source code for it. WebBoard by O'Riely (the book and web server people) is also worth looking at. < www.webboard.com > It includes an IRC style chat server. The 2.0 version is quite robust and is included in a book-CD package. Both of these products are fully customizable so if you build a crappy user interface, it is your fault. Once again, "The power to create and control, is the power to make ugly." >-- >J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net >(Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net >---------(*) Internet: claw#under,engr.sgi.com >...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... > John Bertoglio >-- >MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future. > </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00966" HREF="msg00966.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Adam Wiggins <adam#angel,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00953.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: skill system</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00955.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: skill system</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01151.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00966.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00954"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00954"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00915" HREF="msg00915.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 09 Jun 1998, 18:50 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00946" HREF="msg00946.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>, Scatter <a href="mailto:scatter#thevortex,com">scatter#thevortex,com</a>, Wed 10 Jun 1998, 22:05 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00956" HREF="msg00956.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>, Oliver Jowett <a href="mailto:oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz">oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 02:33 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01151" HREF="msg01151.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Sat 20 Jun 1998, 02:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00954" HREF="msg00954.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>, John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:alexb#internetcds,com">alexb#internetcds,com</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 00:21 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00966" HREF="msg00966.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Mud websites</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 17:23 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00959" HREF="msg00959.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>, Scatter <a href="mailto:scatter#thevortex,com">scatter#thevortex,com</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 11:16 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00960" HREF="msg00960.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>, Oliver Jowett <a href="mailto:oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz">oliver#jowett,manawatu.planet.co.nz</a>, Thu 11 Jun 1998, 13:55 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01161" HREF="msg01161.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: mud websites</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 22 Jun 1998, 22:16 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>