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<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 24 May 1998 17:25:24 -5</LI>
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On 22 May 98, Jon A. Lambert wrote:
> Here are my results in graphic format running Vadim's Java thread
> test program.
>
> The machine was running Win95 on a Pentium II at 300mhz with 64mb of
> memory.
>
> The MS test was run using the latest VM supplied with IE 4.01 with
> the JIT enabled. It was run from JView supplied with Visual J++ 1.1.
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> The Sun test was run using the 1.1.6 JDK with the Symantec JIT
> enabled.
>
Here are some more results courtesy of Vadim. I've thrown out more
results on the Y-axis to make a readible and pretty picture without
resorting to providing a variable scale on the Y axis. (I always
disliked reading those.)
--forward from Vadim Tkachenko --
Operating conditions:
Linux:
P233, 64M RAM, 128M swap, all the processes I run usually, among
others are X-Window, 6 open Netscape windows, Apache web server,
Squid cache, sendmail, 4 open Xterms, so, as a bottomline, no
special priviledged testing conditions.
The test has stopped to respond after the last log message for
about 10 minutes, so I killed it. Once again, no significant impact
on the average response time for every other application.
Solaris:
I have no clue about the hardware configuration at all. As in the
first case, this is a full-fledged server doing something
completely independent of the test (DNS, sendmail, dozen of web
servers, Samba, etc.). But, there may be some good in just
gathering the dynamics stats - like, it's clear that on the higher
number of threads MS JVM is worse than Sun's.
--end forward--
> My thoughts:
> Vadim ran out of processor before running out of memory at 128mb.
> I ran out of memory before I ran out of processor at 64mb.
Some further thoughts:
I reran the test on Win95 doing some very bad things like
pre-allocating a 1 Gig swap partition. Oddly enough, both VMs failed
around the same number of threads 1500+ because of out of memory
conditions. This is probably an implementation limitation. Thread
related data and stacks may in fact be allocated from global heap and
marked as non-swappable instead of from local heap. Threads on Linux
are done quite differently and may not be distinguished from other
application memory.
I would like to see some data from a 300mhz 64mb Linux machine. I'm
trying to install such a beast on a spare drive. I'm encountering
some difficulties in hardware detection of my cards.
After doing some tests with a web server, two muds and several copies
of Netscape and IE running, I've determined that 800 threads is the
"usable" maximum on the Win95 machine, before stuff starts hitting
the fan. 500 threads seems to be a more reasonable point where the
lag is still within 10 ms and there's ample CPU left over for other
important tasks.
This is probably way off topic.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00812" HREF="msg00812.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: OT: Java multithreading test source</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 24 May 1998, 04:49 GMT
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Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 23 May 1998, 01:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00811" HREF="msg00811.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: OT: Java multithreading test source</A></strong>,
Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Sun 24 May 1998, 04:24 GMT
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