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J C Lawrence wrote: 

&gt;   On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:10:03 PST8PDT 
&gt;  maddog &lt;maddog#best,com&gt; wrote: 
&gt;  &gt;
&gt;  &gt; colins sprinkled around some other muds.  Unfortunately I got some 
&gt;  &gt; of the MOO colins going by making available my version called 
&gt;  &gt; madborg.  It wasn't until I tried to interface madborg to a database 
&gt;  &gt; server that I realized he had a fatal flaw. 

&gt;  Care to expoand on this?  I, and I'm sure several other here, are 
&gt;  interested in the flaws and your experiences. 



I made madborg available for download and  posted on how to 
hack colins to create a madborg that would work in MOO or Cold.  
The MOO/Cold madborg was stationary and everything worked fine.  

But for the db project I wanted madborg to be mobile so I turned on his 
room check code.  As soon as I did that, I found that saying "hello" would 
case him to core dump.  I also see that I tested him on MUX and apparently 
I was having the same problem.  I probably would have continued to work on 
him except for three reasons: 
	-I had to use cc instead of gcc or do a lot more code changes
 	-the code was difficult for me to understand in places 
 		and too many things were hardcoded
	-I discovered Joe Strout's python bot and 
		that became the new madborg

I think that julia/colins was a really fun bot in its time.  But I 
don't recommend that anyone today work with the old code.  

frank



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<LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Personality modelling</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00166" HREF="msg00166.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Personality modelling</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 15 Apr 1998, 01:14 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00134" HREF="msg00134.html">META: Web futures and the demise of MUD civilisation as we know it.</A></strong>, 
coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Sat 11 Apr 1998, 22:04 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00122" HREF="msg00122.html">Seductions of Sim: Policy as a Simulation</A></strong>, 
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 10 Apr 1998, 17:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00154" HREF="msg00154.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Seductions of Sim: Policy as a Simulation</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Mon 13 Apr 1998, 20:54 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00118" HREF="msg00118.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] GRUMPS</A></strong>, 
maddog <a href="mailto:maddog#best,com">maddog#best,com</a>, Fri 10 Apr 1998, 06:05 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00107" HREF="msg00107.html">MAGE 2 MAGE v. 0.88</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 09 Apr 1998, 23:40 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00106" HREF="msg00106.html">a fruitful exchange on classlessness in r.g.m.admin</A></strong>, 
Cimri <a href="mailto:cimri1#gte,net">cimri1#gte,net</a>, Thu 09 Apr 1998, 23:30 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00113" HREF="msg00113.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  a fruitful exchange on classlessness in r.g.m.admin</A></strong>, 
Ben Greear <a href="mailto:greear#cyberhighway,net">greear#cyberhighway,net</a>, Fri 10 Apr 1998, 01:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00117" HREF="msg00117.html">Re: [MUD-Dev]  META: membership (was a fruitful exchange on classlessness in r.g.m.admin)</A></strong>, 
coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Fri 10 Apr 1998, 05:52 GMT
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